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How's the Campfire CSI team coming along?
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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And I say,really!
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I'm just glad Jayco is posting again. Wish it were happier circumstances.
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And I say,really! No matter how tough that guy tried to act, he will always be the red headed bitch deputy from First Blood.Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I find so many things about this strange and if this little quote about how often police are actually held responsible for there actions,disturbing.
Law enforcement officers are brought before a jury in only 1.5% of officer-involved homicide cases. The eye witness testimony should be more than compelling enough for the officers involved to be tried in a courtroom. Law enforcement should be held to the same standards as the civilians they are sworn to serve and protect. No person is above the law. We want to see these officers tried before a jury as any civilian would be in the same circumstance. The innocence or guilt of these officers should be decided by a jury. This is the only way we see justice being served. Uhhh...I'm pretty sure you have to be indicted before you are tried for a felony. Are you sure you want to do away with the Grand Jury system? I know it's all the rage right now in Ferguson, St.Louis and Baltimore. For the record, "homicide" is not a crime.
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Law enforcement officers are brought before a jury in only 1.5% of officer-involved homicide cases. The eye witness testimony should be more than compelling enough for the officers involved to be tried in a courtroom. Law enforcement should be held to the same standards as the civilians they are sworn to serve and protect. No person is above the law. We want to see these officers tried before a jury as any civilian would be in the same circumstance. The innocence or guilt of these officers should be decided by a jury. This is the only way we see justice being served.
signed - Barak
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Dispatch called the ranch, he was on his way. Officers should have waited for the ranch to dispatch the bull IMHO. The bull was the property of the rancher and a bull with broken legs ain't capable of much of a charge IMHO.
Hope the results of the investigation and the forensic evidence are released shortly.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Itppowell I am giving quotes and nothing but quotes..I have my personal opinion on this but I have not given it here.The whole thing is disturbing... From the biker eye witness...
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Dispatch called the ranch, he was on his way. Officers should have waited for the ranch to dispatch the bull IMHO. The bull was the property of the rancher and a bull with broken legs ain't capable of much of a charge IMHO.
Hope the results of the investigation and the forensic evidence are released shortly.
I don't know how it works in Idaho, but here we very likely wouldn't allow it simply due to liability reasons
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Dispatch called the ranch, he was on his way. Officers should have waited for the ranch to dispatch the bull IMHO. The bull was the property of the rancher and a bull with broken legs ain't capable of much of a charge IMHO.
Hope the results of the investigation and the forensic evidence are released shortly.
I don't know how it works in Idaho, but here we very likely wouldn't allow it simply due to liability reasons 'xcuse me? "Wouldn't allow it?" Are you his daddy?
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Dispatch called the ranch, he was on his way. Officers should have waited for the ranch to dispatch the bull IMHO. The bull was the property of the rancher and a bull with broken legs ain't capable of much of a charge IMHO.
Hope the results of the investigation and the forensic evidence are released shortly.
I don't know how it works in Idaho, but here we very likely wouldn't allow it simply due to liability reasons Whose liability? Dam sure the ranchers property and open range is legal in Idaho. If not mistaken the autos are responsible for cattle they hit. If I have been notified and am on the way no one has my permission to dispatch one of my animals. That us my call.
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Dispatch called the ranch, he was on his way. Officers should have waited for the ranch to dispatch the bull IMHO. The bull was the property of the rancher and a bull with broken legs ain't capable of much of a charge IMHO.
Hope the results of the investigation and the forensic evidence are released shortly.
I don't know how it works in Idaho, but here we very likely wouldn't allow it simply due to liability reasons Whose liability? Dam sure the ranchers property and open range is legal in Idaho. If not mistaken the autos are responsible for cattle they hit. If I have been notified and am on the way no one has my permission to dispatch one of my animals. That us my call. I explained it back in the beginning pages of this thread, but if his shot were to go errant, and strike a bystander, that puts the liability on whichever agency controls the scene, has nothing to do with who owns the cow
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Here's why it is important to preserve the rights of all Americans, curdog, Two thoughts prompted by your post: You take yourself too seriously. Does your concern for our "rights" extend to our right to free speech?
Never holler whoa or look back in a tight place
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Here's why it is important to preserve the rights of all Americans, curdog,
Two thoughts prompted by your post: You take yourself too seriously. you take too seriously who you think take things too seriously.
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Dispatch called the ranch, he was on his way. Officers should have waited for the ranch to dispatch the bull IMHO. The bull was the property of the rancher and a bull with broken legs ain't capable of much of a charge IMHO.
Hope the results of the investigation and the forensic evidence are released shortly.
I don't know how it works in Idaho, but here we very likely wouldn't allow it simply due to liability reasons Whose liability? Dam sure the ranchers property and open range is legal in Idaho. If not mistaken the autos are responsible for cattle they hit. If I have been notified and am on the way no one has my permission to dispatch one of my animals. That us my call. I explained it back in the beginning pages of this thread, but if his shot were to go errant, and strike a bystander, that puts the liability on whichever agency controls the scene, has nothing to do with who owns the cow Your explaiation is BS, the multitude of shots fired by the deputies carries much greater risk of going errant. The rancher was a couple of feet behind the Bulls head not much chance of an errant shot especially with the fragile high velocity 204 bullets. The deputies were taking entirely too muck control in a free society. Nth is was a rural setting near the ranchers drive way, explain the liability now?
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If this has been asked somewheres already I apologize....
It seems established that the dispute revolved around Mr Yantis' intention to put down the bull with a firearm at that moment in time, over the objections of the officers working the scene.
If Mr. Yantis had indeed proceeded with this act, against specific instructions, what crime would he have been guilty of?
What lawful authority is extended to officers working an accident scene, how far does that authority extend, and what can they tell people to do or not to do?
Thanks,
Birdwatcher
It varies from State to State. In Texas, any "hazard" that requires emergency response involving a "highway, street, sidewalk, railway, waterway, elevator, aisle, hallway, entrance, or exit to which the public or a substantial group of the public has access, or any other place used for the passage of persons, vehicles, or conveyances" requires that a person obey a "reasonable request or order to move issued by a person the actor knows to be or is informed is a peace officer , a fireman, or a person with authority to control the use of the premises". The offense would be OBSTRUCTING HIGHWAY OR OTHER PASSAGEWAY. In a nutshell, it means don't get in the middle of an cluster unless you are helping. I doubt this was an issue here and won't speculate what was.
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Nth is was a rural setting near the ranchers drive way, explain the liability now? Do you really want an explanation, or just to talk?
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If this has been asked somewheres already I apologize....
It seems established that the dispute revolved around Mr Yantis' intention to put down the bull with a firearm at that moment in time, over the objections of the officers working the scene.
If Mr. Yantis had indeed proceeded with this act, against specific instructions, what crime would he have been guilty of?
What lawful authority is extended to officers working an accident scene, how far does that authority extend, and what can they tell people to do or not to do?
Thanks,
Birdwatcher
It varies from State to State. In Texas, any "hazard" that requires emergency response involving a "highway, street, sidewalk, railway, waterway, elevator, aisle, hallway, entrance, or exit to which the public or a substantial group of the public has access, or any other place used for the passage of persons, vehicles, or conveyances" requires that a person obey a "reasonable request or order to move issued by a person the actor knows to be or is informed is a peace officer , a fireman, or a person with authority to control the use of the premises". The offense would be OBSTRUCTING HIGHWAY OR OTHER PASSAGEWAY. In a nutshell, it means don't get in the middle of an cluster unless you are helping. I doubt this was an issue here and won't speculate what was. If what is reported is accurate and I have no way of knowing for sure if it is or not. No way would I grab a man by the should to spin him around with his finger on the trigger. That appears to be the catalyst that set the done a road that should not have benn traveled.
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Dispatch called the ranch, he was on his way. Officers should have waited for the ranch to dispatch the bull IMHO. The bull was the property of the rancher and a bull with broken legs ain't capable of much of a charge IMHO.
Hope the results of the investigation and the forensic evidence are released shortly.
I don't know how it works in Idaho, but here we very likely wouldn't allow it simply due to liability reasons They called Yantis to take care of the bull. "Taking care of the bull" means shooting it. Then the deputies took exception to him doing so. I'll agree with jwp that all those shots already fired made for a helluva lot more liability than one quick one from a .204.
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