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https://drhurd.com/donald-trump-a-different-kind-of-socialist/

DONALD TRUMP: A DIFFERENT KIND OF SOCIALIST

There’s danger ahead. And its name is Donald Trump.

In recent interviews, Trump has been claiming that there are two things wrong with government policy. The first, he says, is that the stimulus bill should have been used for roads, rather than “pork.” Apparently trillions of dollars in unsustainable debt and devaluation of the currency are acceptable when spent on roads, but not when it’s spent on anything else. The second is that businesses should be restricted or outright forbidden from doing business with China, Mexico, or other foreign nations. This, he says, will “keep jobs in America.” Ridiculous!

Businesses hire Chinese or other foreign workers because it’s cheaper. If they are no longer allowed to do business with foreign companies, then the jobs previously done by them will simply go away. Businesses owe it to their stockholders to make a profit. If that profit is restricted or eliminated by protectionist Big Government policies, then there will be fewer jobs. Slapping foreign trade restrictions on business is no different than taxing them or forcing them to pay for expensive health insurance plans. The expenses and losses created by government restrictions undermine profit, and in the process drive up unemployment — further deepening the recession.

Normally these facts are evaded by people who know nothing about business, like Democrats, liberals and socialists. Now we have someone who is successful at business (and supposedly a Republican) making the same kind of mistake. Trump may run for president as a Republican. If he got the nomination, he would be no more a friend of capitalism than Barack Obama. It would be a matter of ‘choose your poison.’ If Trump runs as an Independent, he’ll kill any chance of a Republican winning the presidency, even a good candidate, and Obama’s clearly socialist agenda will be around for another six years. Trump’s ideology of protectionism refers to government restrictions on business with foreign nations, on the premise that trade should exclusively take place within a country. Protectionism violates the moral and Constitutional right of individuals to freedom of trade, and it makes the world poorer than it otherwise would be.

The worst of the danger is not Trump himself. Hopefully, he’ll go away or simply shut up. But the false “appeal” of protectionism may grow as economic conditions continue to worsen under Obama’s disastrous policies and the Republicans’ inability to quickly reverse any or all of them. This variation of Big Government socialism is something even Bill Clinton was smart enough to oppose—but today’s Obama Democrats will blindly support it. “Sure, we’ll use government to block and restrict trade with China and other countries outside the U.S. But first give us socialized medicine, control over banking, control over the Internet — and then we’ll talk.” This is the kind of governing coalition you could expect if Trump became president, and Congress continued expanding the welfare state as it has done for the last hundred years.

Free market Republicans and Tea Party types are our last hope. If they mean it when they say that government should get out of the way of business, then they will fight protectionism as much as they fight ObamaCare and other socialist disasters. But Obama has already done his damage to our country, and the full effects are yet to be felt. People are going to become more fearful and angry as the economy worsens. If you think we have trouble now, think of what happens when Big Government gets even bigger and essentially shuts down international trade.

I recognize that China is a deeply corrupt government with no respect for individual rights. But shutting down trade will do nothing for individual rights. It will impoverish the United States and lead to even higher unemployment. Historically, protectionism usually leads to war. Government has to get out of the economy altogether and not continue to intensify its already massive role.

Mr. Trump: Mind your own business and please shut up.


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Trump is not perfect or close to perfect, no politician or other mortal is. I certainly disagree with him on world trade. We have a global market and must embrace it.

He is spot on when he speaks of illegals invading and on some other issues.

I like the fact that while the politicians were busy spending our taxpayer trillions Trump was busy making (and keeping) billions.



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Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

Trump is not perfect or close to perfect, no politician or other mortal is. I certainly disagree with him on world trade. We have a global market and must embrace it.

He is spot on when he speaks of illegals invading and on some other issues.

I like the fact that while the politicians were busy spending our taxpayer trillions Trump was busy making (and keeping) billions.



The truth is that Trump was and is a very poor financial manager/businessman. An independent analysis showed that if he had simply taken his substantial inheritance and invested it in the market at the average market return he would be worth substantially more than he is. In other words, his business acumen is so bad he actually underperformed the market from the day he got his inheritance to the present moment. The idea of Trump as savvy business man is a myth.


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Yet 50 times better than what we currently have. Sad ain't it?


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Originally Posted by SandBilly
Yet 50 times better than what we currently have. Sad ain't it?


What we currently have (Obama) is not running.


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So some yahoo writes bs saying Trump said this and that and you take the hook, line and sinker.


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JFC Jordon, you got SuckAssChuck making sense on your Trump struck threads.



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I think South African Chas was actually experiencing a "sargasm."

I would hope Trump is vetted on a lot more than his often popular hate-edged sound bites. If "his team" doesn't do it now, I can assure you that Hitlary and Col Sanders will have a hey-day with him. Trump is popular with many, but his "many" are not centrist in any way, shape, or form. Those many may be enough when he is playing against other 'team' players, but it won't be nearly as much, quite probably not enough, when the other team takes the field.


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Trump is a populist democrat


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yep Trump reminds me of an old fashioned Democrat, before they went full fledged socialist/communist.


I'd much prefer him over Clinton, Sanders or most any Dem I can think of.


but I'd rather see Cruz or Carson as the nominee than the Donald.

like some discussion he's raised, like his lack of PC doublespeak

in a more perfect world for me, he'll rally his followers behind one of the other candidates


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I vote for Trump because the lying weasel thieving republican establishment is against him due to the fact he ain't bought and paid for like the rest of their ilk.


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Originally Posted by RobJordan

I recognize that China is a deeply corrupt government with no respect for individual rights. But shutting down trade will do nothing for individual rights. It will impoverish the United States and lead to even higher unemployment. Historically, protectionism usually leads to war. Government has to get out of the economy altogether and not continue to intensify its already massive role.

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Has the protectionism that the Chinese have engaged in "impoverished" them? Do they have "high unemployment"? Have they been engaged in a war lately? Has trade with them been "shut down"?

Is the supposed "free market" outsourcing model and "service economy" actually sustainable without government intervention? Can unemployed people consume without welfare benefits?

How can we compete with third world economies and maintain a decent standard of living under a "free market" system for a large enough percentage of the population to prevent them from voting in ACTUAL Socialism?


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Originally Posted by RobJordan
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

Trump is not perfect or close to perfect, no politician or other mortal is. I certainly disagree with him on world trade. We have a global market and must embrace it.

He is spot on when he speaks of illegals invading and on some other issues.

I like the fact that while the politicians were busy spending our taxpayer trillions Trump was busy making (and keeping) billions.



The truth is that Trump was and is a very poor financial manager/businessman. An independent analysis showed that if he had simply taken his substantial inheritance and invested it in the market at the average market return he would be worth substantially more than he is. In other words, his business acumen is so bad he actually underperformed the market from the day he got his inheritance to the present moment. The idea of Trump as savvy business man is a myth.


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Hindsight is real damn easy, wouldn't you say? "Had he invested it", in what? How many jobs would that "investment" have created? Much of his inheritance was PROPERTY, so some jack leg says sell all of it[and pay taxes on this] and risk investing it elsewhere? Seriously?
Seems like he did pretty well on his own.


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Trump holds the same positions and is saying the same thing Pat Buchanan said during his Presidential runs. I voted for Pat every time, and don't recall anyone calling him a socialist or a democrat.


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So you would identify as a Paleoconservative?


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Remember Trump made billions in private enterprise while politicians spent trillions of our tax dollars.

His enterprises employ tens of thousands, his empire is, however, small compared to the government from which politicians draw their sustenance.

I suppose he could have taken his small inheritance, sold the real estate and invested in tax free municipals and maybe run for Congress for walking around money.

Then he would be "qualified" to run for President?


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I you guys haven't read his book "The Art of the Deal" you really need to, in order to understand his business savvy. Comparing his accomplishments to that of the NYC and NJ governments is striking.


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My personal hope is to find a candidate that is rabidly biased...in favor of America and Americans.


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Originally Posted by jimmyp
I vote for Trump because the lying weasel thieving republican establishment is against him due to the fact he ain't bought and paid for like the rest of their ilk.

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Originally Posted by OrangeOkie
Trump holds the same positions and is saying the same thing Pat Buchanan said during his Presidential runs. I voted for Pat every time, and don't recall anyone calling him a socialist or a democrat.

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