You guys need to watch the video. The kid appeared to be a bystander. The cops weren't there for anything he did. As the car with the camera approaches, its lights show the kid running down the middle of the street TOWARD the action, like he was running to see what was going on. As he got to them, he moved a traffic lane to the right, well away from the cops. He never got near them. As he passed, the shooter shot him. You can tell that he has something in his hand but he never brandishes it. It's always down at his side. The video doesn't show anything threatening that he did.
I love your posts.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
Dont worry they will get around to you. When martial law is finally declared the police will be even less forgiving.
If I'm ever in a major city & find myself in the middle of a "peacefull protest".... have a knife in my hand & am ordered to drop it by LE, you can bet your ass that I'll comply. It's kinda funny that 25 can be killed in one weekend & there's no public outcry...in fact if a witness comes forward with information on who the perps are, he or she is labeled as a "snitch" & will probably become a target themselves...crazy chit if you ask me.
What you must be aware of is a black and white silent video doesn't tell the entire story in a questionable incident. Not making any suggestions on the incident in Chicago.
The video speaks for itself. I'd love to meet the lawyer that could argue his way out of that conviction. There's absolutely no justification for killing that guy.
What would a reasonable officers perception of the situation be based on the totality of circumstances surrounding the encounter.
This is what will be presented to, and weighed by the jury.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
Like any good campfire member, I'm gonna post an opinion without reading the rest of the thread....
Why is it OK for the nogs in chicago to kill each other by the dozens each weekend, but one 'outsider' gets involved and they use it as yet another excuse to riot.....errrrr I mean 'protest'.....
In the 'outsiders' case there is at least a question as to whether the shooting was justified...in the case of the indigenous people, even when they openly murder children, the question never comes up.
Gotta love a double standard...
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
Like any good campfire member, I'm gonna post an opinion without reading the rest of the thread....
Why is it OK for the nogs in chicago to kill each other by the dozens each weekend, but one 'outsider' gets involved and they use it as yet another excuse to riot.....errrrr I mean 'protest'.....
In the 'outsiders' case there is at least a question as to whether the shooting was justified...in the case of the indigenous people, even when they openly murder children, the question never comes up.
Gotta love a double standard...
That irony of that double standard is that it proves exactly what it is meant to disprove. The "indigenous people" are expected to behave in a savage, warlike manner, while such behavior by others is considered an anomaly.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
Coppers on here, could this possibly have been a case for escalating force? Less lethal, beanbag, rubber bullets etc first? Could this be the reason the murder charges were filed?
Fight fire, save lives, laugh in the face of danger.
Liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds. Cops facing a deadly threat must make an instant life and death decision with perfect, hindsight judgment but when there is even a perceived threat against our Washington DC overlords, no matter how slight, the media and libs are perfectly fine with gunning down a disturbed young mother driving erratically with her baby in a car. In fact, I seem to recall Harry Reed and others publicly congratulating the shooters for a job well done. By the way, the woman killed was black but I guess her life didn't matter.
Both houses of Congress came back later in the day and offered thanks to the Capitol Police. The House gave officers a standing ovation. Senate staffers were distributing small black buttons reading “THANK YOU, CAPITOL POLICE” with a picture of the Capitol Dome.
Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) said he had called the injured Capitol Police officer, and the officer said he would be fine. Reid added that the officer said, “The only thing I do every day is to make sure you and everyone who works up here is safe.”
I wonder how accurate the article is. If it's correct, the cop deserves to hang. It doesn't take 16 bullet holes to disarm someone with a knife, especially when his back is turned and he's walking away.
Truly brilliant. This type of uneducated response is why I (more often than not)tend to not be involved in such threads.
It is interesting how those with absolutely no experience in a subject matter tend to be the ones to speak in absolutes.
Here are a couple of hints:
Either lethal force is justified, or it is not.
One bullet or 20, the criteria is still the same.
Were all of the entry wounds on the back?
Was he going towards another person, while he was attempting to get away from the other officer?
Is a person high on PCP and armed with an edged weapon a threat to the public?
Using your logic, how many holes does it take to "disarm" someone with a knife"
If the cop did not shoot this guy and he carved up a few innocent citizens/cops, then mouth breathers would be saying
"Why didn't he shoot him? He should be hanged for not shooting him!"
For those not familiar with PCP.
Users of this drug are very well known for committing extremely extremely gruesome violent crimes.
Police and ER/first responders who are familiar with the bizarre, unpredictable and violent behavior of some PCP users, almost always bring up that the person had "super human" strength. This is not exactly true physiologically, but has to do with the fact that the user cannot feel pain like people not under its influence.
Due to the effects of the drug, PCP users almost always fail to comply with orders and become HIGHLY aggressive/combative.
There have been reports from officers about PCP users actually BREAKING metal handcuffs.
There have also been reports of users breaking their own bones during struggles, or punching solid objects. They literally break their own bones, and do not feel this until effects begin to subside.
When a person whacked out on angel dust/PCP is not feeling pain like a normal human being, guess how they are going to react to getting shot?
Unless you make a solid CNS hit, dumping a bunch of hits into a PCP monster may not slow him down for a while.
There have been plenty of incidents where people NOT under the influence of anything take multiple hits and continue to fight/shoot/stab, etc.
How much damage do you think a person can do, armed with a knife, not feeling pain in the traditional sense, and wildly hallucinating?
Whether it is 30 seconds or 1 minute, that person can kill or maim a whole lot of people.
But hey, lets just hang the cop! Genius..
Of course the "Hang him" comment is coming from the guy who vouched for his neighbor (the child rapist Robert Williams) as a "stand up church going guy".
The one who took in a vulnerable foster child, knowing she had been sexually abused brutally at her last foster home, therefore was already groomed for deviant sexual behavior.
Then he used the little girl as his own sex toy,forcing the child to have sex with dogs while he watched and masturbated, before raping her repeatedly.
As I recall Rock Chuck, you blamed the child for all of this, since your buddy was such an upstanding church goer.
Never mind the hundreds of bestiality and child porn videos taken from the house, not to mention confessions.
Of course Robert Williams claimed it was the little girls fault. He ended up getting a sweet heart deal, with many charges dropped. 20 years to life.
But hey, lets hang the cop for stopping a guy whacked out on PCP and armed with a knife, because the number of rounds offends some people (who have ZERO experience, yet feel qualified to tell cops how to do their job).
Now that you've shot off your mouth about my neighbor, having no information on what happened...the girl was moved to another foster home where she then accused another foster father of the same thing. Last I heard, she was in a mental hospital in north Idaho. She also recanted many of her accusations. Williams got 20 years but it was for child porn on his computer. It never went to court as he bargained it to 20 to life, if you can call that a bargain. My info is from his wife since I have no access to the court records.
Here is a CLUE.
I know Exactly what happened, and some memories and images cannot be simply erased from one's brain.
If you are getting info from the wife, you are seriously messed up. Do you honestly believe that she knew nothing? I won't go into details, but suffice to say that you are 180 degrees off the mark.
Here is another CLUE:
He bargained it down to "Just the Child Porn" on his computer.
When someone bargains something down, that means there is a bunch of other stuff involved, which is exactly the case here.
Have you ever stopped to consider that one of the reasons child rapists get stuff plead down is so that they do not have to re-victimize the victim by forcing them to relive the horrible things that happened by testifying in the courtroom.
And your info on the child is wrong as well. She does have serious mental health issues, that part is true, but so would any child that lived through that.
Maybe you should stop and reflect on it all. With some critical thinking, you may realize that in this case you are 100% wrong.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL.
The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world.
Coppers on here, could this possibly have been a case for escalating force? Less lethal, beanbag, rubber bullets etc first? Could this be the reason the murder charges were filed?
No cop or attorney can answer that because they don't know the details of the case.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
