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Yep, the average selling price is usually closer to lower asking prices.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Any-Shot-You-Want-The-A-Square-Handloading-And-Rifle-Manual-/331623883418?hash=item4d3652e29a:g:RBkAAOSw9N1VxhtM
$750 on feebay I'll let my copy go for $500 Hey, I forgot to include THE LOL, +P+++...............grin
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If anyone wants to try 17WSM, this might be the time. $200 shipped after rebate. http://www.kygunco.com/-69648?utm
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There's a reason my CZ 204 has had a lot of bluing loss - I think enough of it, that it lives in my truck, when big game is not on the schedule.
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as has been said, the advances in bullets and powders have dwarfed any individual new introduction cartridge wise.
It's easy to go from chipmunk shooter to deer rifle with a lot of cartridges now, and be eminently suitable for both.
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Shirley, you must be Joe King. Sucks for SD. All the arms that chamber it from the factory are blowback, so the neck gets worked and two or three reloads is the limit, even at moderate pressures. People have wildcatted it to .20 and .17 for varmint service in bolt guns, but they find that the tiny diameter of the extractor groove leads to loose primer pockets quickly, even with moderate loads. 9mm blows 5.7x28 away for half of what it was designed for. .223/5.56 blows it away for the other half. The Hornet family is better for varmint service in bolt guns. I guess if you want a slightly hotter 22WMR that's not a rimfire, there's a niche. At least those are the conclusions I reached after getting really interested and researching the heck out of it.
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I think that's the best of the WSM's and it's all but gone from any production rifle chambering line-up. Tough to find brass for them too. Agreed, too bad they came out a little later than the .270 & .300 WSM's. The slow start along with Winchester's plant closing and quality control (feeding from magazines) which gave all of the short fats a bad rap. It's still the best--even if everyday shooters fail to recognize it as such.
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I'll pick the 6.5 Grendel. It'll fit an AR (15) platform, yet go the distance. Efficient and accurate!
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+6 If fricking brass was available, it would gain ground in sales steadily IMO.
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I'll never understand why the 7 WSM wasn't/isn't the most popular of the WSM family.
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The .41 special is the best one recently developed.
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I'll never understand why the 7 WSM wasn't/isn't the most popular of the WSM family. Shorter Neck maybe ? Not really an issue in hunting rifles, just look at the .300 Win Mag or .284 cases. I'll never understand why the SAUM's and especially the 7mm didn't take off better . The Short Action .280AI ! ;-)
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The .41 special is the best one recently developed. I talked with Jack Belk about converting a handgun to .41 Special; fortunately, he ran off before I sent him the gun and a check and that put me off the subject. I still want to do the project though... jim
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Here is an excellent discussion of the 41 Special, including lots of loads, with input from many very knowledgeable folks: https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289784
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Nothing! its all packaging, the 300WSM give us the 300 H+H in a short case, the 375 Ruger dittos to the 375 H+H! Nope what really changed in the last 20 years has been Range Finders and Computer Programs that you can actually afford to buy and use in the field.
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Lots of interesting comments here. As Mule Deer has pointed out (not for the first time), there really hasn't been any truly new cartridge for quite some time.
I have been caught up by a couple of the "new" chamberings introduced in the last 20 years, most notably the 204 Ruger, the 375 Ruger, and a couple of 6mm's.
I've sold all of the 204's off except one rifle, which is an AR with a long, heavy barrel that I bought especially for varmint hunting, and it's the only 204 I've kept. I don't hunt varmints much any more, so it may not survive the next gunsafe purge either.
I got rid of all the newfangled 6mm variations I got caught up with, and have instead been enjoying exploring an old 6mm caliber, the 243 Winchester. I've bought a couple of nice 243's that work so well for myself and for the young ladies in my family that I expect I'll continue exploring this caliber for another decade or more.
I had a 375 Ruger rifle that I ended up replacing with another hoary old obsolete caliber, the 375 H&H... in fact, I got rid of the new Ruger so I could take an "old" Holland & Holland to Africa this past summer and killed Cape buffalo and kudu with that obsolescent cartridge in a Mauser-action Kimber, said action being yet another ancient intrusion into my riflery.
And now I'm looking at all the 308's occupying space in my gunsafe that I don't shoot any more, because I've started playing with 30-06's instead.
I seem to be going backward in time...
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I really like the 338 RUM it gets hurt because the 338 Lapua is "in Vogue". I think its the best of the RUM's . I'm sure there's some scientific reason why the Lapua is better but you'll have a hard time convincing me.
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