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just holler at him "it's a gun free zone, go next door"


or two rounds in the air with the ole dbl barrel shotgun, and Uncle Joe sez you'll sleep sound as a bug in a rug


sometimes I forget just how stupid Democrats are and the stupid chit they say

Did your mentally handicapped instructor teach you that?



Travis

So if I find the specific case and post it, are you going to STFU; yeah, I thought not. You're a douche.

"MIGHT" get charged with Second Degree murder, vs quite likely being killed by a terrorist OR being able to stop said terrorist from killing other innocent people.

If those are your choices and you'd rather be concerned with the "might get charged" bit, then WTF are you actually carrying for in the first place? You "might" get charged in ANY SD situation.

Oh, and quite clearly MN SUCKS as far as the 2A is concerned. What a ridiculous situation to be put in, and what a horsechit "law" that must be.

STFU? No.

But I'd love to see the case.



Travis

So getting back to the OP's original thoughts and statements. Here's an article where 10 case of "longer range" defensive fire was used and justified.

http://www.tactical-life.com/combat-handguns/justifiable-long-shots/

Well here's the thing. If you will man up for an apology if I post it, then I'll make the effort and call Mas.

Means - Would a reasonable person feel the potential threat had the means to inflict egregious bodily harm or death?


Opportunity - Would a reasonable person feel the potential threat had the opportunity to inflict egregious bodily harm or death?


Intent - Would a reasonable person feel the potential threat demonstrated an intent to inflict egregious bodily harm or death?



This is all you need to know.



Perry

I see you've finally opted out of the quick disconnect vagina, and went full time.




Dave

So you're legally obligated to be a coward.

Congratulations?

That is humorous. No way around it.

The perps had body armor. How would being able to shoot longer distances with a hand gun have helped?

Secondly, getting yourself or your family to safety without having to fire a shot is not an act of cowardness.

Wow. What a brain tease.

I'll have to really think about this one.



Travis

It is if other people are dropping like flies and you have the means to stop the threat.

But then again, I'm not from the south. You probably see things different.



Travis

Any gunfire will cause them to pull back to cover, which reduces their ability to shoot people. A vest doesn't make anyone superman. Even with a vest, you don't want to be shot at with a handgun. At the least, it's quite painful to be shot with substantial handgun rounds, and they can even inflict lethal wounds through and around them. Basically, I'm speaking of suppressive fire.

The Sheriff here told us that everybody doing the ALICE training thinks they are cold-blooded because they are stepping over kids who are laying there (pretending to) bleed out, while trying to neutralize the shooter(s). It all depends on the situation. If the shooter wounds somebody beside you and then moved to a different area, administering first aid could get done. But if the shooter was continuing to shoot, right there in the area, it doesn't matter if it's your son, your wife or some stranger who has been shot, you have to take the threat out NOW because if you don't then how will you administer first aid later or do anything but but be somebody else to deal with if you become a casualty too. These situations are replete with hard decisions. Talking body counts of two or three as opposed to a dozen sounds totally uncaring, but there it is.

It's never too late to turn a Muslim into a Hindu

If you have a hand gun, you don't have the means to stop the threat.

Think a little more about the body armor.

But then again, I'm not from deflave vill. Being another fly may seem heroic to you.

Why not? What class 'body armor' were they wearing? Helmets? what body armor did they have on their extremities?

Don't assume your ability/limit with a handgun is everyone's ability/limit with a handgun.