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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...s-came-with-the-right-to-own-slaves.html

The U.S. ‘Right’ to Own Guns Came with the ‘Right’ To Own Slaves
The grim history of gun violence in the United States goes way back, aided and abetted by the same monstrous reasoning that once defended slavery.
PARIS—For most of the last two centuries, Europeans have been puzzling over their American cousins’ totemic obsession with guns and their passion for concealed weapons. And back in the decades before the American Civil War, several British visitors to American shores thought they’d discerned an important connection: people who owned slaves or lived among them wanted to carry guns to keep the blacks intimidated and docile, but often shot each other, too.

In 1842, the novelist Charles Dickens, on a book tour of the United States, saw a link between the sheer savagery of slave ownership and what he called the cowardly practice of carrying pistols or daggers or both. The author of Oliver Twist listened with a mixture of horror and contempt as Americans defended their utterly indefensible “rights” to tote guns and carry Bowie knives, right along with their “right” to own other human beings who could be shackled, whipped, raped, and mutilated at will.

As damning evidence of the way slaves were treated, in his American Notes Dickens published texts from scores of advertisement for the capture of runaways. Often these public notices described the wanted men and women by their scars. One especially memorable example:

“Ran away, a negro woman and two children. A few days before she went off, I burnt her with a hot iron, on the left side of her face. I tried to make the letter M.”

Dickens also compiled a list of several shooting incidents, not all of them in the South: a county councilman blown away in the council chamber of Brown County, Wisconsin; a fatal shootout in the street in St. Louis; the murder of Missouri’s governor; two 13-year-old boys defending their “honor” by dueling with long rifles, and other examples.

What could one expect, he asked, of those who “learn to write with pens of red-hot iron on the human face” but that they carry guns and daggers to use on each other. “These are the weapons of Freedom,” Dickens wrote with brutal irony. “With sharp points and edges such as these, Liberty in America hews and hacks her slaves; or, failing that pursuit, her sons devote themselves to a better use, and turn them on each other.”

When Dickens was writing in the 1840s, remember, keeping Negro slaves was defended as a Constitutional right with the same vehemence that we hear today when it comes to keeping and bearing arms, and perhaps with more foundation. The original U.S. Constitution was built on an explicit compromise (Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3) that allowed slave-holding states to count human chattel, described as “other persons,” as three-fifths of a human being for purposes of taxation and state representation in the House, but allowed them no rights as human persons whatsoever.

The Second Amendment, adopted a couple of years later as part of the Bill of Rights (of free white people), was essentially written to protect the interests of Southerners in the states that formed militias—often known as “slave patrols”—to crush any attempt at what was called, in those days, a “servile insurrection.” That’s why the full text of the Second Amendment reads:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

To keep slaves in slavery, you needed militias and they needed to be armed. Such is the fundamental “right” assured by the Second Amendment.

Dickens, who saw a lot that he disliked about America, but disliked slavery and the irrational and immoral thinking behind it the most, wrote quite correctly that there was a substantial, stubborn class of people “who doggedly deny the horrors of the system, in the teeth of such a mass of evidence as never was brought to bear on any other subject.”

A few years later, after the messianic abolitionist John Brown tried and failed to start a slave uprising by attacking the Federal arsenal at Harper’s Ferry in 1859, Southern paranoia reached new heights, and so did gun sales.

“These are the weapons of Freedom,” Dickens wrote with brutal irony.
“I do not exaggerate in designating the present state of affairs in the Southern country as a reign of terror,” wrote British Consul Robert Bunch in Charleston, South Carolina, the epicenter of secession and slavery. “Persons are torn away from their residences and pursuits, sometimes ‘tarred and feathered,’ ‘ridden upon rails,’ or cruelly whipped; letters are opened at the post offices, discussion upon slavery is entirely prohibited under penalty of expulsion, with or without violence, from the country.”

Bunch, the central figure in my recent book Our Man in Charleston: Britain’s Secret Agent in the Civil War South, noted that “on the part of individuals the sense of danger is evinced by the purchase of fire-arms, especially revolver pistols, of which very large numbers have been sold during the last month.”

In 1861, the great British war correspondent William Howard Russell, traveling through the South in the early days of the Civil War, was as bemused as he was appalled by what passed for “dueling” in Mississippi, which amounted to little more than random, often drunken murders. One resident told him “without the smallest animus, and in the most natural way in the world … tale after tale of blood, and recounted terrible tragedies enacted outside bars of hotels and in the public streets close beside us.”


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Seems like quite a reach, even for the Dems.


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So now we are wanna be slave holders? Makes us Democrats, doesn't it! More BS from the bastion of BS.


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As is often the case with historical subjects, Wiki covers this topic pretty well....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Balance that against one man's opinion, a Brit, visiting the South in the 1840's.

The issue went far beyond slavery and the maintenance thereof, and the right to keep and bear arms was codified in State Constitutions even where slavery was illegal.

No doubt however that Southerners especially were doing each other off in large numbers when Dickens was visiting. When they came to Texas they continued the practice, more'n a few Texians killed or crippled each other in duels. A lot of good men were lost that way, prob'ly why duelling was illegal everywhere and the carrying of Bowie knives in particular was outlawed by '39 in Georgia, Tennessee and Kentucky.

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Reading that made me think of this:





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Pure and utter Bullschit.

Were Dickens and Morgan related?


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After all of the things the British did to the Scots, Irish, Indians (India Indians), etc, etc - they have NO room to comment on the South's history of slavery.


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I got curious about Dickey, who could blatantly write such falsehoods. He has his own website but is reticent about his education

http://www.christopherdickey.com/biography_sub1.html

He's a 64 year-old career Journalist by way of Newsweek and the Washington Post.

His book...

http://www.amazon.com/Our-Man-Charleston-Britains-Secret/dp/0307887278/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

Our Man in Charleston: Britain's Secret Agent in the Civil War South

sounds interesting, except the review includes this...

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As secession and war approached, the Southern states found themselves in an impossible position. They knew that recognition from Great Britain would be essential to the survival of the Confederacy, and also that such recognition was likely to be withheld if the South reopened the Atlantic slave trade. But as Bunch meticulously noted from his perch in Charleston, secession’s red-hot epicenter, that trade was growing. And as Southern leaders continued to dissemble publicly about their intentions, Bunch sent dispatch after secret dispatch back to the Foreign Office warning of the truth—that economic survival would force the South to import slaves from Africa in massive numbers.


Economic survival would force the South to import slaves in massive numbers? First I've heard that.

So this Dickey guy, a newsie, equates the Second Amendment with slavery exactly at the time Bammy announces an imminent crusade against guns. Hey, Black Lives Matter and all that.

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Consider the source.

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Originally Posted by Calhoun
After all of the things the British did to the Scots, Irish, Indians (India Indians), etc, etc - they have NO room to comment on the South's history of slavery.


true enough. The record of the Brits in Africa alone would disqualify them from being able to pontificate on any other Country's actions about anything.


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Armed citizens scare the hell out of govt.

MSM and their stories are nothing but the Bammy's mouthpiece.


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Slave ownership was transfered from citizen to federal government ownership. The feds are more inclusive and include all races but don't require their welfare slaves to work and allow them to vote on greater penalties for the working class.

Democraps have learned growing the welfare voting class is their best way for remaining in office. Should be clear to all here the importing of muzzies, who disproportionately remain on welfare, is an excellent plan for growing democrap support.

The democraps have no incentive for reducing the flow of all immigrants our country, closing borders, stopping wars, improving our infrastructure, etc. Is all counterproductive to growing their voter base.



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You read the daily beast? What other socialist propaganda do you read?

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What a bunch of crap. It is amazing what mental gymnastics that the left will do to try to justify their own illogical arguments.


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Somehow I missed where the second amendment said, "The security of your labor force, being necessary to a strong economy, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

Yeah - I missed that.. I could have sworn it was for the security of a free state.



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If it were not for the second amendment, we would be "subjects" instead of "citizens"...

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The Constitution does not say we have a right to slaves,I does however say we have the right to arm ourselves.

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That's an Orwellian-class convolution of history and facts. It's SUCH a Marx/Goebbels/Alinsky propaganda farce that lots of people will actually believe it.


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