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Unsolicited testimonial and book review!!!
If you are a hand loader you owe it to yourself to get this book! John has outdone himself this time..
If you like his well researched no nonsense style of offering up explanations ,advice , and tangible results there is plenty in this book for you.
If you like to dwell on minutae and are not even sure why you do some of it...the answers to ALL of it are in this book! There is even a straightforward chapter on rifling twist that would save a buttload of nasty threads on this forum.
It IS a big book, and it is Barsness at his very best. I just cruised through half a dozen chapters and learned a few new things. Typical JB it is easy reading and thorough in explaining and entertaining.
I may have to buy a second copy just to keep near the throne!!!
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An "Amen!" from the back pews.
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I keep my copy adjacent to my desk and ration the amount I read daily: don't want to get through it too Quickly!  jim
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That's Ed Zachary what I did! 
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Another Amen from the peanut gallery. I appreciate that the book is printed in a large format with larger, easier to read typeface.
This is not a book to put in your backpack to take with you on your wilderness hunt.
This is a big, heavy book that is worth its weight in gold.
It would make a terrific Christmas present to yourself, or any true rifle loony that you know.
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A great book that I had intended to be my winter's reading but winter has hardly begun and I've completed my first perusal.....
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I keep my copy adjacent to my desk and ration the amount I read daily: don't want to get through it too Quickly! jim I already have the impression that it could be read, and re-read...learning stuff that you missed the first time! It is 'comprehensive' and covers all gack! Think I'll keep my copy at the loading bench!
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Had mine spiral bound at Staples. Lies flat and makes the big book easy to navigate.
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Thats a GREAT idea! 
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Had my coy of RLN The First Five Years done at same time. Well worth it!
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I'm doing just that now. I finished reading it cover to cover in about 3-4 days (couldn't put it down), now, just like the RLN book, I am constantly going back to it and re-reading sections. Bought one for my dad for a Christmas present, but I couldn't wait till then with my copy!
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Alright already. Y'all convinced me. (Actually I've been meaning to but I hadn't got around to it.) I clipped $32.50 to the radio collar of a whitetail and pointed him in the direction of Montana. I told him John and Eileen would have a treat waiting for him when he got there. Seriously though, I hope those electrons I scrambled in their direction materialize in their inbox.
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Thanks, Tom!
The book seems to have taken on a life of its own. Only a fraction of the "official" reviews have appeared so far, but since we started taking orders in mid-October Eileen hasn't had much time to do very much work on her next cookbook, which was moving right along until then. But there are worse problems to have....
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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Ingwe just likes it so much cuz he is mentioned in it a few times lol
And shrapnel and Steve and ....
Someday I am gonna do something stupid enough to be worth a mention like you guys did lol
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Y'all have crashed their server!!!
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I am ahead of all of you, I bought 2 and got the very first copy autographed. The second copy I sold to Travis for $54.00, so I ended up getting mine for free... ![[Linked Image]](http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/Mobile%20Uploads/image_26.jpeg)
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JB's The Book of Gun Gack is very likely the best book written containing the most important information concerning
rifle ammo. If you don't know anything about it, or if you think you know it all, or even if you really do, JB's book will take you to new heights.
It's not a close call!
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Got mine last week, along with Eileen's cook book. Wow...that thing is loaded with tons of info and like ingwe said, it's heavy.
Great reading folks...on both books....you owe it to yourself to order them.
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7x57Steve is right, apparently our website is getting too much traffic: You can look at all the books and other stuff, but not order 'em! We have our web provider working on it, but in the meantime if you want to order something, either e-mail eileen  riflesandrecipes.com or phone 406-521-0273.
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I am ahead of all of you, I bought 2 and got the very first copy autographed. The second copy I sold to Travis for $54.00, so I ended up getting mine for free... Shrapnel, how did you get Number 1? I got Number 1 too... Kidding! 
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Ingwe just likes it so much cuz he is mentioned in it a few times lol
That just increases its credibility, and in the long run, its value! How could it not be fantastic, if I'm in it?
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Ingwe just likes it so much cuz he is mentioned in it a few times lol
That just increases its credibility, and in the long run, its value! How could it not be fantastic, if I'm in it? Gonna need some hip waders,getting a bit deep. 
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Didn't we all get #1 of 500?
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Well, except those that waited and got 1 of 1000....
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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Yep another great book JBs put together, tons of good info in there.....Thanks John!
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Mule Deer; Good evening to you, I trust this finds you and Eileen doing well. As I've already mentioned my copy landed safely on our side of the medicine line about a week or so back. Not only have I found it a grand read thus far, the buddy I mentioned who picked up a RAR .243 came over last weekend and was asking about a good load to try in it. Of course I pulled out my fresh copy, showed him the data you'd printed using a RAR and said "this is the guy who said yours should shoot as good as it does." Anyway John, not that you need another vote for a good book, but here's one from me anyway. All the best to you and Eileen this Christmas season. Dwayne
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Mule Deer,
Great Gack couldn't put it down even calibers I don't reload.
A Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and Eileen.
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Ya know Tom, this is all good but some of us are holding out waiting for Savage99 to give his official review / endorsement prior to ordering  Oh wait - I already ordered my copy and yes, it's all you say... Speaking of two copies, I know darn well I'd ordered JB's Rifle Troubleshooting and Handloading book over a year ago but for the life of me couldn't find it. Assuming I had just imagined it, I ordered another copy of that one with my Gun Gack book. Of course I found my first copy as soon as the second one arrived...
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I am ahead of all of you, I bought 2 and got the very first copy autographed. The second copy I sold to Travis for $54.00, so I ended up getting mine for free... I ordered two and now read in his signature there is no 222 Magnum data....WTF? Oh well, if LoadBooks ever calls for mag Deuce data, I'll be able to cash in on that market....
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Another Amen from the peanut gallery. I appreciate that the book is printed in a large format with larger, easier to read typeface.
This is not a book to put in your backpack to take with you on your wilderness hunt.
This is a big, heavy book that is worth its weight in gold.
It would make a terrific Christmas present to yourself, or any true rifle loony that you know. You bet it did, I got my two from the first delivery a few weeks back and my brother just got the one I sent him for his birthday/Christmas present this week. I like loonies as they are so easy to shop for, thanks to Mr Mule Deer! Geno
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Thanks, Geno!
However, the website isn't making shopping easy today, since it going in and out. Our web provider is out of town and isn't going to be able to get to his own computer until later today. In the meantime, anybody wanting GACK can still call Eileen at 406-521-0273.
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Have to agree with you Tom.... a great, great read not to mention a reference guide for years to come. Anyone who has not ordered one had better get it done!
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Ingwe just likes it so much cuz he is mentioned in it a few times lol
That just increases its credibility, and in the long run, its value! How could it not be fantastic, if I'm in it? Leopard thong centerfold comes to mind.......
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Ingwe just likes it so much cuz he is mentioned in it a few times lol
That just increases its credibility, and in the long run, its value! How could it not be fantastic, if I'm in it? Leopard thong centerfold comes to mind....... No. I couldn't possibly.... John is a dear friend of mine, and I don't want to steal his thunder..... 
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Ingwe just likes it so much cuz he is mentioned in it a few times lol
And shrapnel and Steve and ....
Someday I am gonna do something stupid enough to be worth a mention like you guys did lol Hey, I made him the "lucky trade" for the 7mm Remington Express brass! Thank you thank you thank you.... Best of all though, the large print made me feel young, cause I didn't need reading glasses!
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The large print was very deliberate, partly because we know the average rifle loony is older than the average American--and partly because we are!
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And the print size is much appreciated John!!
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And the print size is much appreciated John!! +1
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I received my 3 Books plus Bonus Camo Loonie Hat yesterday !
(Big Gack, Optics, Shotguns for WingShooting)
Ordered through Eileen, sorry for interrupting John's birthday lunch with my phone order, but Thank You for the expedient delivery !
Happy Birthday to me !
I was pleased to note that there was no Ingwe thong centrefold anywhere apparent, whew ;-)
I did immediately don my new fav' camo Loony hat, testing for fit etc. before heading to the reading room for the initial perusal.
The large print format of Gack will be useful for propping up at a distance and testing optics in the evening.
Shotguns for Wingshooting is an amazing bargain for the content & format. I haven't barely opened Optics for the Hunter, but this is right up there with John's earlier Obsessions, and Tuning books.
Excellent reading thus far, and highly recommended.
Cheers, and a Merry Christmas to all
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338Rules,
Thanks for the nice reviews!
Eileen’s life is being interrupted quite often these days by phone calls, but she likes talking to rifle loonies so that’s OK. She even purchased one of those hands-free ear-buds this summer so she can talk to rifle loonies while she’s in her new custom kitchen, experimenting with recipes for her next cookbook! She can multi-task much better than I can, though I do end up doing most of the driving this time of years so she can answer the phone….
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Yep-it is a good read... CP.
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Yep, it's a great book. It's a book that you can re-read multiple times and still pick up new details.
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That was my experience with the book also. I could not put it down until I read about every cartridge you wrote about, John.
Some of them explained your responses to several of my cartridge questions over the years.
I especially love your opening remarks and "Warning"....
Great Read!
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“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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Had mine spiral bound at Staples. Lies flat and makes the big book easy to navigate. Office Depot did it for me and added a clear plastic and heavy black plastic back for $4.63. Looking forward to the read and thanks to buddy 7x57Steve for the early Christmas gift. It's going to be good reading out at camp.
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Superb gack book and highly recommended...
John is one of the great stewards of the trade and a great person to boot.
FWIW, "The Rules" are in this book; it can save a Looney some time before a "creation" or build is dreamt up, even if the architect is hell bent on ignoring them!
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Ordered one for a buddy yesterday. Afraid to buy one for myself. 
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I decided that when I retired (this past June) that I was done learning and would spend my time doing what I learned outside of my prior occupation. With that, I am intrigued by this thread, in particular the OP's recommendation given his character.
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Hi Nate,
Glad you like the book!
A small group dipped into the Templeton Rye last night, but there's still about an inch left in the bottle. Or at least there was when I left....
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I was gifted my book last night by the wife. I've already started on it and it's excellent!
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I bought one to gave away in a Christmas book exchange (bought the trouble shooting book for myself), if I don't get The Big Book of Gun Gack in the exchange i will buy another for myself.
Merry Christmas all.
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I bought two copies as gifts for friends. I sneaked a look at a couple of chapters in one of them, and extracted a promise from the other to loan his copy to me immediately after Christmas.
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Received my copy today as a Christmas gift from my wife. Looking forward to reading it.
Merry Christmas
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Hi Nate,
Glad you like the book!
A small group dipped into the Templeton Rye last night, but there's still about an inch left in the bottle. Or at least there was when I left.... Its gone now......
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Well, it did last a year and a half after Nate imported it to Montana. Not bad for whiskey among a certain crowd!
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It was carefully guarded and reserved for special occasions!
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I lucked out with a bottle of Pappy van Winkle's 12-yr old last year; good stuff but did not last anywhere that long. This year making do with Elijah Craig and Buffalo Trace.
Just read the chapters on the Accurate 25s and Two .25-20s. Very interesting history to those...
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My wife is good to me. There was a copy of the "Big Book" under the tree. 'Course I already knew it since I carried in the mail and saw where it was from.
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The ladies in the house made sure there was a copy under the tree yesterday.
Just started it and it's a great read.
Thanks for the large type!!!!
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You're welcome! The large type was Eileen's idea, since many of our readers (like us) are getting to be of a certain age.
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You are going to have to write more books. Cause I read thru them way to fast. Good job on the book.
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You are going to have to write more books. Cause I read thru them way to fast. Good job on the book.
John: I haven't ordered "Gack" yet but I will once things slow down a bit, especially since the Ingwe Special has been given a new lease on life by helping to manage Florida's feral hog population. I'm assuming you have included a chapter or so on this classic cartridge. Anyway, I agree with 7mmMato: you need to write more, most specifically a book on your African adventures. Africana, both old and new, scratches a lot of itches. Just sayin'.... RM
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7mmMato,
Glad you like it!
Generally, we try to alternate books: Eileen will write one every other year, and I'll do one in the alternate years. Doesn't always work out that way, but that's what we try to do--so next year's her turn.
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Mike,
Probably won't do an African book because, quite frankly, "hunting story" books don't sell all that well compared to "hunting gear" books. Or at least they haven't in recent years.
Back in the 1990's books of hunting and fishing stories did at least as well as technical gear books, if not better, but times have changed. THE LIFE OF THE HUNT has sold okay over the past 20 years, but BORN TO HUNT (which many people think is as good, if not better) has barely broken even. They both keep selling, but not nearly as well as books on handloading, rifles or optics.
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Well, now I have two more to order and I see y'all sell them as a combo. By the way, your books sit beside Corbett's on the bookshelf...and his story books have sold pretty well.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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My sister, the eastern liberal, thinks " Born to Hunt" should be required reading for anti-hunters. Yes...its THAT good!
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Thanks, Tom. If we ever have to reprint LIFE OF THE HUNT may just add your sister's comment to the list of recommendations on the back cover!
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My copy of "Big Gack" was under the tree! Very good read thus far, however, I really don't see this "youngun" ever getting excited about the 25-20, but who knows!?!
Good stuff, John. Thanks!
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Biggest problem with this book is now I need a 35 whelen, a 257 bob to go along with my 250/3000's.A .270 because that is all I really need. A 6.5 creed to do what my 6.5-06 will be able to do. And I need to hunt with my 7mm Rem Mag because it will do it all. And I have never owned a .30-06 how did that happen? I may need a second job by the the time I finish this book.
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Hi Nate,
Glad you like the book!
A small group dipped into the Templeton Rye last night, but there's still about an inch left in the bottle. Or at least there was when I left.... Its gone now...... I have no idea what the hell you guys are talking about..... But I think I've found more; by a fencepost of course.
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Thanks, Tom. If we ever have to reprint LIFE OF THE HUNT may just add your sister's comment to the list of recommendations on the back cover! Hey John: When I order it, do you think you can get Ingwe's sister to autograph it too?
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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Great book! Excellent writing of course, and loads of usable information.
Highly recommended to buy.
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Ok, so if I don't reload, how useful will this book be? I generally enjoy John's writing but if a large portion is about reloading, then I may pass. What say you?
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Ok, so if I don't reload, how useful will this book be? I generally enjoy John's writing but if a large portion is about reloading, then I may pass. What say you? Knowledge, no matter how esoteric, is a good thing. Yes, it is geared toward the handloader but is chock-a-block full of attendant gun info and hunting lore. Something there for everyone, and I defy anyone to read it and say he didn't learn something new- no matter how experienced or jaded he may be! (Besides, John is an accomplished wordsmith and he could write about chrysanthemum genetics and I would pay attention! )
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Ok, so if I don't reload, how useful will this book be? I generally enjoy John's writing but if a large portion is about reloading, then I may pass. What say you? Not as much about reloading per se as you might think. The book is well worth the price as a read....
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Ok, so if I don't reload, how useful will this book be? I generally enjoy John's writing but if a large portion is about reloading, then I may pass. What say you? Get the book, read it, and it might just cause a reloading itch that you will want to scratch! Even if you don't reload, the book is filled with info useful to any rifleman.
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Mike,
Probably won't do an African book because, quite frankly, "hunting story" books don't sell all that well compared to "hunting gear" books. Or at least they haven't in recent years.
Back in the 1990's books of hunting and fishing stories did at least as well as technical gear books, if not better, but times have changed. THE LIFE OF THE HUNT has sold okay over the past 20 years, but BORN TO HUNT (which many people think is as good, if not better) has barely broken even. They both keep selling, but not nearly as well as books on handloading, rifles or optics.
John; Good morning to you and Eileen, I trust the holidays have been treating you folks well. I'm not sure what to think about your results with two of my all time favorite hunting books John. Honestly I've lost track of how many times I recommend them when I'm teaching the BC Hunter Safety CORE course each spring. Them and of course "Meditations on Hunting" rank up there as a good foundation for apologetic discourse as to why some of us are drawn to hunt. Anyway sir, Happy New Year to you both and all the best in 2016. Dwayne
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Great book John. It will be right next to my Pet Loads volumes and one that I reach for frequently. In fact it goes to the slope with me now every trip so I'll have some good reading while I'm up there for three weeks.
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I received my book for Christmas from Rock Chucker .What a great gift.
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John, your book was on my Christmas list and Santa obliged. I opened to the first page and a question came to mind immediately. The page shows a damaged rifle with a notation: "Be careful or this could happen to you". Was this Shrapnel's rifle? Wayne
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That's one of the few rifles blown up in Montana that wasn't in Shrapnel's hands, or the hands of one of his shooting companions. Amazing, ain't it?
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John,
Just finished it...very good read over all. Thanks. I'm especially excited with the info on the 308 win, as I just traded for my first and I'm excited to get it put together to shoot. Any input on AR-Comp in regards its temp stability? I'm having a hard time finding everyone's favorite pixy dust #AR2208 (AKA Varget) and often see AR-Comp around here. Maybe a PM with more info would be best.
Thanks, and happy new years!
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NTG,
Glad you liked the book!
Have mostly tried AR-Comp in the .223/5.56, where it works pretty well, though I haven't gotten as much velocity as sometimes reported in my rifles. In the .308 I haven't found it outstanding.
If you can't find Varget, I would definitely try Reloder 15. I realize it also isn't very available right now, but as far as I can tell (after using it in several cartridges) is the same powder. Or at least it does exactly the same things in several cartridges, and is very available right now, due to Western Powders becoming the U.S. distributor for Norma powders a little over a year ago.
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Thank you, John. I'll be giving it a go. I talked to a long time 308 long distance shooter, and he liked it, but prefers TAC as it gives less velocity variance shot to shot. One more to try!
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Yeah, TAC is also excellent in the .308, but often requires a magnum primer to reduce velocity variations.
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Finally found the right time and place (our camp this weekend) to site back and relax and read through it for the first time. As usual, another collection of solid technical research told in a way that makes it very digestible.
Alas, now I'm wondering if I should anneal my .300 H&H cases and if neck tension is why that rifle seems stuck at 1 1/2" groups with several loads.
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It might just be a 1-1/2" rifle, but it doesn't take much to anneal a few cases with the candle method and find out.
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Sorry to burst your bubbles, but if you are looking for information on 222 Mag, there is nothing for you...
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I noticed that right off. I think he did that for you, and you alone.
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I noticed that right off. I think he did that for you, and you alone. I think you're right, I got the first book and thought it might be added in a later edition... ![[Linked Image]](http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/gun%20related%20items%20and%20articles/image_26.jpeg)
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It might just be a 1-1/2" rifle, but it doesn't take much to anneal a few cases with the candle method and find out. It's a sickness to try and get it under an inch knowing fully well that that is adequate for anything (other than paper!) that I am going to shoot with it. Not wanting to get too technical, but you said hold the case until you can't. Did you by chance hit it with a laser thermometer to determine what that temp is?
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No, but the method was developed by Fred Barker, who used heat-temp paint to test it. (I've also tested it the same way.) Hold the case in the middle of the body with your fingertips, and when it's too hot to hold the case is annealed.
This is exactly the same method Charlie Sisk used in the example cited in the book, which shrunk groups from over 2" to 1/2". Of course, that was in one of the accurate rifles Charlie builds, shot on an indoor range.
On the anti-loony side, I've found any rifle capable of averaging 1-1/2" for 3-shot groups at 100 yards is accurate enough for hitting big game in the heart-lung vitals to at least 400 yards.
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John, the anti-loony statement is something that we all need to remember.
On the candle-annealing topic, it seems to me to be kind of like driving progressively heavier trucks across a bridge until it collapses to find out its weight limit. When I try to hold the case until it is too hot to hold, I burn my fingers with the first one and after that I can no longer tell anything. It must be remembered that I am completely maladroit.
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I'll have to mention that possibility in Gack II!
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I'll have to mention that possibility in Gack II! Even Bigger Print ?
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On the anti-loony side, I've found any rifle capable of averaging 1-1/2" for 3-shot groups at 100 yards is accurate enough for hitting big game in the heart-lung vitals to at least 400 yards.
There are no anti-loonies on this site. there is no need to be pushing your 'common-sense' agenda here.....
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Oh, yes there are, but they tend to be grumpy old men--unlike you, who's generally a non-grumpy old men, even though you grumble now and then.
I have heard grumpy old men sometimes get put on "ignore" on the Campfire, but I don't put anybody on ignore. Consequently I can read their grumpy old posts, thus keeping my finger on the pulse of a wide cross-section of shooters. This is strictly due to my attempt to maintain some semblance of objectivity in what passes for journalism in the rifle-loony world.
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This is strictly due to my attempt to maintain some semblance of objectivity in what passes for journalism in the rifle-loony world. You're just asking to be put on ignore.
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That makes sense, because for there to be balance on the Campfire, anybody who posts even semi-rational stuff should be put on ignore equally as often as Savage99.
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I'm patiently waiting for my copy to arrive. Laid up with one hand but I can read and learn. I'm more excited than Richard Simmons with a wheel borrow full of buttholes!
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I'm patiently waiting for my copy to arrive. Laid up with one hand but I can read and learn. I'm more excited than Richard Simmons with a wheel borrow full of buttholes! Geez, thanks for THAT mental image!   John
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I got my copy of Gack at Christmas, but am just now getting around to starting it. So far it have liked it very much.
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Always good to hear that....
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Just ordered mine and a copy of Slice of The Wild. Am anxiously awaiting their arrival!
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My copy arrived today. I've read the first two chapters and told my wife this book has already paid for itself.
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I've really enjoyed my autographed copy of GACK. And boy, was I surprised to find a chapter on the old .25-20. I am the 4th generation owner of a Winchester M92 bought by my great grandfather around 1907 and passed down through the family, where it now resides in my gun safe. The bluing and the bore aren't top-notch, but my father used it to kill a small whitetail buck around 1939, when he was barely a teenager. I will pass it on like those who went before me, and it will never leave our family. At least that is my fervent hope.
I have a question for John (and others). You wrote that you have settled on 26.0/TAC/50gr Nosler BT as your go-to recipe for varmints in the .223. I have long used 26.5/H335 behind the same bullet, but I plan to switch to TAC down the road because of its cleaner-burning characteristics.
Do you have a similar go-to combo for the .22-250? I'm a bit old school in that I still carry a .22-250 along on my PD hunts for a change of pace. I generally shoot the 50 NBTs here as well along with the occasional 52 Sierra HPs. FWIW, I've probably culled more Texas whitetail does with the 63 Sierra semi-pointed out of the Varminter than any other bullet by a wide margin, and that's out of a 14" twist barrel.
None of my PD buddies bother with the .22-250 anymore, so I'm the last one carrying the flag. There has to be a few of us left that are still shooting sod poodles with the .22-250. What load, if any, have you found to be nearly universal in several with the Varminter?
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Glad you're liking the book!
Back when I loaded all my rifle ammo with three powders, which sounds like a big deal but isn't when you only load for a few rifles, my standard load in the .22-250 was around 36 grains of IMR4895. (The other two powders were IMR4350 and H4831.) It normally shot well and got around 3700 fps from a 24" barrel.
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John,
Are these loads for the 52gr pill...? I'd assume, but best to know for sure. Thanks.
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I used it with everything from 52-55, usually 55's.
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Why is it that every shootingfishingwoodworkinghuntingcarhouseboat book I buy is just the tip of the iceberg that leads to more spending? The BBoGG is no exception. To be fair, I had the concentricity gauge but the TruAngle tool is new. ![[Linked Image]](http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/gaepps/Shooting/IMG_0147_zpswdcze7ls.jpg)
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I was really enjoying the book. Then, I started reading the .308 chapter and realized the author skipped right over .29. What's up with that? I feel cheated!
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I considered including the B-29, but my editor/publisher talked me out of it....
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I considered including the B-29, but my editor/publisher talked me out of it.... Would O'Connor have not talked about the .270? Or, Keith the .44? Think of all those .29 aficionados starved for info for their rifles! ( Oh, and thanks for another great book).
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B-29...why would you talk about airplanes in a gun book? Oh, wait, it had guns on it! I get it! 50BMG, M2, 20mm...where's the chapter on them?
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Hi John: I just got back from a conference in Orlando and found the books I ordered had arrived, safe and sound as usual. Many thanks to Eileen who, I assume, is the shipping department. As soon as I finish Bror Blixen's biography, I plan to start your two books on "the hunt" (packaging them together is a good idea, by the way). I also read a couple of chapters of "Gack." Good stuff! I see why Ingwe started this thread. One of the comments you made in the chapter on the .280 Remington raised a question in my mind. You mention that the 120 grain NBT has a beefed up jacket that helps it stay together and has turned it into a respectable medium/big game bullet. Did Nosler do that with all of the non-varmint ballistic tips, i.e., beef up the jackets a bit? The only one you mentioned in the "Gack" chapter is the 120. The reason I'm asking is that I ran across a bunch of 150 grain BTs (actually, Ballistic Silver Tips) and plan to use them on pigs, some of which can get to be pretty danged big, and even though the ranges aren't terribly long (all well below 100 yards) I still need something that will hold together a bit but at the same time create enough damage to assure that whatever I hit - in the right place, of course - is DRT. There's almost no way to track something in the terrain I hunt. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. That palmetto behind me is solid for almost a mile. I'm finding that monos are just a tad too tough to create the cup-and-core wound channels I like. ![[Linked Image]](http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz265/mlward_ssa/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-01/0AE29856-B863-45DF-8492-F3B3077AD89A_zpshaml6b1f.jpg) Thanks, as always. RM
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Mike,
In general Nosler has beefed up the jackets of most non-varmint Ballistic Tips, except for those that always had very heavy jackets, such as the 200-grain .338.
The 7mm 150 Ballistic Tip has basically the same jacket geometry as the 120, so the base of the jacket is just as heavy. Both penetrate quite well, but the 150 has a higher percentage of core, so usually creates more shrapnel and hence more interior damage. It sure might be the perfect compromise for your pig shooting.
Eileen is indeed the shipping department, along with a number of other jobs, though when things get hectic she sometimes uses an assistant, but he needs pretty constant supervision.
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I considered including the B-29, but my editor/publisher talked me out of it.... Would O'Connor have not talked about the .270? Or, Keith the .44? Think of all those .29 aficionados starved for info for their rifles! ( Oh, and thanks for another great book). OK, I just got to the section on the B-29. I feel much better now! The book has a happy ending!
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Hi John: I just got back from a conference in Orlando and found the books I ordered had arrived, safe and sound as usual. Many thanks to Eileen who, I assume, is the shipping department. As soon as I finish Bror Blixen's biography, I plan to start your two books on "the hunt" (packaging them together is a good idea, by the way). I also read a couple of chapters of "Gack." Good stuff! I see why Ingwe started this thread. One of the comments you made in the chapter on the .280 Remington raised a question in my mind. You mention that the 120 grain NBT has a beefed up jacket that helps it stay together and has turned it into a respectable medium/big game bullet. Did Nosler do that with all of the non-varmint ballistic tips, i.e., beef up the jackets a bit? The only one you mentioned in the "Gack" chapter is the 120. The reason I'm asking is that I ran across a bunch of 150 grain BTs (actually, Ballistic Silver Tips) and plan to use them on pigs, some of which can get to be pretty danged big, and even though the ranges aren't terribly long (all well below 100 yards) I still need something that will hold together a bit but at the same time create enough damage to assure that whatever I hit - in the right place, of course - is DRT. There's almost no way to track something in the terrain I hunt. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. That palmetto behind me is solid for almost a mile. I'm finding that monos are just a tad too tough to create the cup-and-core wound channels I like. Thanks, as always. RM Damn! Thats a good looking rifle!
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Yup,whomever sold that rifle must have a screw loose.
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Eileen is indeed the shipping department, along with a number of other jobs, though when things get hectic she sometimes uses an assistant, but he needs pretty constant supervision.
When my wife's assistant gets involved, It usually gets ugly fast, and he is escorted off the grounds shortly there after.
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Yup,whomever sold that rifle must have a screw loose. Agree!!
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Either that or he's a rifle loony. They're well known for buying OR selling any sort of rifle--which is part of the definition of "loony," a synonym for "has a screw loose."
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Yup,been down that road many times. Even heard the phrase "has a screw loose" (or some variant of it) from members of this household,almost hourly it seems like.
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Mike,
The 7mm 150 Ballistic Tip has basically the same jacket geometry as the 120, so the base of the jacket is just as heavy. Both penetrate quite well, but the 150 has a higher percentage of core, so usually creates more shrapnel and hence more interior damage. It sure might be the perfect compromise for your pig shooting. As an alround hunting round, would you push those to max (i.e. 2800 fps) or back down a bit? RM
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2800 is pretty much perfect! But they'll also work at slower muzzle velocities--and faster.
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Mike here is an Axis buck that succumbed to the 150 NBT at 2650....in the one and only Ingwe Special no less... ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/IMG_1425_zpsca1ae56f.jpg)
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2800 is pretty much perfect! But they'll also work at slower muzzle velocities--and faster. Hmm...how much faster? Not that I'm brave enough to try it, but I though 2800 was about it with 150s in the 7x57. Was I sleeping during class??
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Mike here is an Axis buck that succumbed to the 150 NBT at 2650....in the one and only Ingwe Special no less... I recognize that old rifle! Are those the same old NBTs I have in the box that is postmarked Montana?
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Well, Ingwe, i'mm'a need that recipe!!
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48.0 grains of H4831sc COAL is 79mm You can also use regular H4831 or Winchester WXR.....same weight.
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Gracias! I have a couple of porkers that might not be so gracious.
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Book arrived yesterday, JB. I am enjoying it very much!
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Reading my copy a second time.
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Jorge and elkhunter,
Always good to hear about people enjoying the book--including second readings!
In a conversation at the SHOT Show many years ago, John Wootters noted that hunting and gun writing is "mostly entertainment," especially when compared to what he termed "real journalism" (which John did for a while when younger). So while I do try to provide some information, I also like to hear when readers find my work somewhat entertaining.
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John: I especially liked the 348 article. If you remember, you and I had discussions when I first got mine a couple of years ago and you suggested some loads that worked out perfectly and it was nice to see them in your book. Kinda like "inside baseball" for me
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Second readings are always a good indication of how well the book/article is written. Waiting on my copy of "Selecting And Ordering A Custom Hunting Rifle." Shameless plug there.
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Great book, I always learn something new when reading John's stuff.
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Thanks!
I learn something new about rifles and handloading every week, which is probably why I've kept fooling with both for so long....
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My copy just arrived in the post John at work. I opened it and just looked through the start of it, but hastily put it away for fear I'll get nothing done today!
Looks great, thanks to you and Eileen.
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John,
I have completed my first reading of Gun Gack, and I especially liked the .30-'06 chapter since you used your NULA for the loads and I copied your specs for your M24 when I asked Melvin to build mine. Except my paint scheme is prettier of course.
Can you add the .375 Ruger to GGII, and also some words on the newer chronograph technologies, please and thank you?
Anyway, thanks for writing it...
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Thanks, Jim. There will be several additions to Gack II, in fact it will probably be a totally new volume, rather than an updated version.
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John, very good idea on the completely new versus updated. Looking forward to it.
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It comes and goes, because it was put together on a now-obsolete program. Out web server is working on it, but apparently it isn't totally fixed yet--and he may be working on it right now. But it is up most of the time. If anybody wants to order a copy of GACK, the easiest way is to contact Eileen: eileen riflesandrecipes.com or 406-521-0951.
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I've checked the website several times over the past couple of days, and only once was it unavailable.
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Phoning Eileen is easy for technologically-challenged old people like me; plus she is very pleasant to talk to.
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I read the introduction and the first chapter. At that point I contacted a buddy of mine and told him he had to buy the book. It's a different type of reloading manual. Most reloading manual's have a dry straightforward one page article about the cartridge. A couple of reloading manuals have many different authors discuss the cartridge. Again one page articles.
However, the "Big Book of Gun Gack" has about three pages dedicated to each cartridge. It's well written and I'm glad I bought it. Every cartridge that I shoot (except the 257 Roberts Ackley improved) is listed in the book.
I highly recommend it to all reloaders.
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Thanks. Glad you like it!
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Bought one for a friend who called me a few days later and said that he could hardly put it down. Guess that I should buy one for myself...
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You bought it for him without knowing what was inside?
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You bought it for him without knowing what was inside? It came highly recommended.
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And I owed him a favor, and that was something that I thought that he wouldn't buy for himself.
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Bought my copy and found it highly fascinating and informative but.... When I got to page 333 I knew it was keeper for life! ![[Linked Image]](http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x334/mojohand1/B1D58FBA-08DB-4503-9395-621CA74E2DB4_zpshqnbtq3p.jpg)
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And he hasn't aged a day since!
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Just ordered a copy yesterday, can't wait to get it!
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There are many great tips for better ammo and the only thing better than reading the book is loading some ammo with John's tips and hitting the range.
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Hopefully my copy went in the mail today. Cant wait. Thanks Mule Deer!
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Yep, your GACK headed out yesterday afternoon with a personalized inscription. The Deep Creek Press CEO decided long ago that ALL books would be signed before shipping, and special messages would be part of the deal. Of course, we don't guarantee the message will be legible, only that there's no extra change. :-)
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Heck I am impressed the CEO still answers the phone! Thanks again.
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Actually, I'm not the CEO. That's Eileen. I'm primarily a lowly "content provider," the current phrase some use for "writer." Though often I'm also recruited to carry boxes of books here and there.
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And he hasn't aged a day since! Have you slept in a bed next to his lately?
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Actually, I'm not the CEO. That's Eileen. I'm primarily a lowly "content provider," the current phrase some use for "writer." Though often I'm also recruited to carry boxes of books here and there. I assume it is a female majority owned enterprise?
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Yep! She started the website, and has been running it now for over a decade.
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Got my book yesterday, that's some fast service! Can't wait to dive in it.
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Good to hear yours got there quickly!
Most do, but one copy just spent six weeks spinning back and forth out of what we call the "Denver Vortex" before finally being delivered. We've now had two book packages spend considerable time in Denver, because the Denver USPS occasionally sends one to the wrong state. This 6-week package was supposed to go to Nebraska, but instead went first to Cheyenne, Wyoming, from where it was returned to Denver. It was then sent to Great Falls, Montana. It made a couple more trips to Cheyenne and Great Falls similar before finally making it to Nebraska--which borders Colorado, so you'd think they'd know where it's located. The Denver Vortex might be due to Colorado's legalization of marijuana, but who knows?
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Love the humor, John. Thanks
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Good to hear! But rifle loonies are a naturally amusing group of humans.
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Good to hear yours got there quickly!
Most do, but one copy just spent six weeks spinning back and forth out of what we call the "Denver Vortex" before finally being delivered. We've now had two book packages spend considerable time in Denver, because the Denver USPS occasionally sends one to the wrong state. This 6-week package was supposed to go to Nebraska, but instead went first to Cheyenne, Wyoming, from where it was returned to Denver. It was then sent to Great Falls, Montana. It made a couple more trips to Cheyenne and Great Falls similar before finally making it to Nebraska--which borders Colorado, so you'd think they'd know where it's located. The Denver Vortex might be due to Colorado's legalization of marijuana, but who knows? I hope it didn't get dog-earred!
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When I received my book I promptly took it to Kinko's and had it spiral bound. I lays open very well that way. I got the idea from someone here on the fire but I can't recall who it was.
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We might consider spiral binding for future printings, though it would probably up the cost a dollar or so. We already do it with Eileen's cookbooks so they'll lie flat on a kitchen counter.
But a lot of rifle loonies prefer traditional stuff. I'd be interested in hearing opinions.
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But a lot of rifle loonies prefer traditional stuff. I'd be interested in hearing opinions. I had mine spiral bound. Downside is the title is gone. Upside is I don't have any other spiral bound on the shop shelf to confuse myself.
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I like a regular bound book. A cook book is different. It needs to be read while cooking. So a spiral bound is better for reading the recipe while cooking.
When it comes to a reloading manual, I use it as a reference. Then I work up a load. Once I have a load developed, I transfer the information to an excell spread sheet then print it. And file the sheet into my 3 ring binder.
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Thanks for the feedback. Anybody else got an opinion on bound vs. spiral?
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John:
Bound volumes fit in my bookcases better, and what I've found is that over the years the inside page edges of spiral bound books tend to bugger a little. My preference has always been for regular bound books and manuals, but I can certainly live with spiral bound as well.
Just my $.02
RM
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Thanks for the feedback. Anybody else got an opinion on bound vs. spiral? Definitely bound. Spiral bound pages always end up tearing out on the most referenced pages. Really enjoyed reading the book for the stories even more than the data. Nice interesting read.
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I'd have to agree with:
Spiral bound for cookbooks, regular for reference books.
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Thanks for the feedback. Anybody else got an opinion on bound vs. spiral? Spiral will last longer. Regular binding, especially paperback, will come apart. Those that prefer a regular binding, probably aren't even real loonies. A real loonie will be using the book so much, it will fall apart.
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John, I just ordered a book. I live in Columbus Mt. Let's see what the Denver Vortex can do. I have had things shipped from the east coast and have it get to Billings and then go to California, then back to Billings and of course go right past my town to Missoula and then back to Billings and then to Columbus. Let's see what happens, Ken
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If it was a straight load manual, I would vote for spiral, but since its so much more than a regular load manual, regular binding works better!
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Thanks for the feedback. Anybody else got an opinion on bound vs. spiral? Spiral will last longer. Regular binding, especially paperback, will come apart. Those that prefer a regular binding, probably aren't even real loonies. A real loonie will be using the book so much, it will fall apart. That's what duct tape is for!!!
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I had mine spiral bound along with RLN and prefer it. Regular binding splits and then the pages fall out. Also, it's nice to have the book lie flat when open.
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Would definitely like to hear from anybody who's copy of GACK splits and has pages fall out. My experience is that even regular-bound paperback books hold up very well--if put together correctly.
I still have the first copy of GUN DIGEST I ever purchased, back in the 1960's, which has been read a LOT! The binding's still in fine shape.
My personal copy of GACK (which is referred to VERY often, partly to make sure I remember what I wrote) is from the first printing, almost two years ago, and is also in fine.
We've been using our present printer for a few years now, and have had very good luck with them, but are always looking for ways to improve.
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On my copy, the first two pages of the contents are coming loose along the bottom two inches or so. The glue of the binding has cracked or separated in that area.It gets a little worse whenever I open to the contents pages. I got the book right after it came out, so first printing I believe?
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John,
I had my copy spiral bound and I am very happy with it.
I will note that after the spiral binding there is very little margin left on the inside edge of the pages. The printing and the holes are slightly overlapping toward the end of the book, but everything is readable.
This may just be the fault of Office Max, who did the binding for me. If there was a bit more margin to begin with, this probably would have worked a bit better.
The responses seem to be evenly divided. Maybe you could offer both versions.
I do greatly enjoy the book.
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I had mine spiral bound and it has held up beautifully.
Glad I got it, but the major advantage is the incredible amount of very helpful info in the book regardless of the binding. It's a sweetie!
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Waiting on mine now, I'd planned on buying it a few months months back but this thread finally pushed me over the edge. Also got RLN while I was at it. Fantastic writing by one of the campfire's best
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Thanks!
And thanks to everybody else for feedback on the binding question. Would especially be interested in hearing from anybody who's had trouble with their copy coming apart.
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Im liking the Spiral bound idea too....
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“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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No. but it would be easier to lay flat on the loading bench for easy reference.
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Thanks!
And thanks to everybody else for feedback on the binding question. Would especially be interested in hearing from anybody who's had trouble with their copy coming apart. John, I am in my 44th year in the printing industry and the perfect binding on this spine and yes, I have my copy too, is designed for a lifespan, commonly 1 to a few years. The next step up to explore would be Burst Binding which is the individual folded signatures glued into the spine. Only the binding machine changes as perfect binding cuts off the folded spine portion anyway which is created on the Signature folders. (If Sheet Fed printed) A book that is designed for a life time, not that any of us have another period that long in front of us, is to have the signatures stitched into a case bound hard cover version. That is why many books are released that way and when sales wane, at that point the perfect bound copy gets released as that market segment, doesn't tend to value books as a life long investment. Burst Binding will increase the cost marginally but should not be prohibitive considering your market recognizes the value you bring to this industry. Wiro and Spiral binding is likely to me more costly and can look "tacky" like and old Lyman reloader book. John PS: Got mine last night and have only flicked through it so far.
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John,
Thanks very much for your input, as I was actually thinking about contacting you about this question. We have looked into spiral binding, since we've done it with three of Eileen's cookbooks, but it would indeed be very expensive for a book this size--and since the shipped price is already $32.50, it would increase the price to over $35, which is a definite stick-shock level these days. The Burst Binding sounds like a good deal.
However, we are also thinking of giving the next printing a wider margin on the spine side, for anybody who wants to have their own copy spiral-bound.
Hope you enjoy your copy!
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John,
On that basis, with a wider margin you have another cheaper option if the reader doesn't mind, that being, to have the inner edge stapled. Maybe even 2 staples would be adequate but you will need an old time printer these days to find the find of stitcher I am referring to.
Some binders also apply a tape strip over the staples along the spine and wraparound to prevent scratches and minor cuts. You would have seen that on some older style heavier covered books already.
Only downside it is is handwork and not automated but could also be done in smaller batches to spread the costs?
John
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Would it be impractical to offer your books in different bindings, MD?
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I ordered Gack , Troubleshooting , and Looney news on the 15th. I can't wait for them to get here. I am catching up on looney news fast! Lots of great info in there. Thanks J.B.
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