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Improved cartridges look cool.Everyone knows that looking cool is the most important thing.
Its all right to be white!!
Stupidity left unattended will run rampant
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While the so called "improved cartridges" are fun to shoot and write about they don't do much. One used High Wall I bought back in the 50's when we had woodchucks is a 219 Improved Zipper. I can't find 219 Zippers now however 225 Winchesters will fire as handloads and the extractor will pull them out. No more so called AI's for me. ![[Linked Image]](https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/450x338q90/703/highwallf9bbc9916jg.jpg) OK, and your point is??????????
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AI=Ain't Interested. BTDT, couldn't care less.
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Love my 250 Sav AI.
Looks cute yet purposeful.
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There are some good improved cartridges. The 308 Winchester is an improved 300 savage. Then 243 Winchester, 260, 7mm08, 358 are all improved 308 Winchesters. The 35 Whelan, 270, 25-06 are improved 30-06. The 300 weatherby in an improved 300HH.
The anti American Constitutional party (Democrat). Wants to dismantle your rights, limiting every aspect of your constitutional rights. Death by 1000 cuts is the tactic. Each cut bleeds constitutional rights to control you. Control is the goal.
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There are some good improved cartridges. The 308 Winchester is an improved 300 savage. Then 243 Winchester, 260, 7mm08, 358 are all improved 308 Winchesters. The 35 Whelan, 270, 25-06 are improved 30-06. The 300 weatherby in an improved 300HH. I like the way you think.  Jerry
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About the only thing and I do mean the only thing that John and I don't agree on are the improved cartridges. I have what I think are 3 of the best. A 7x57AI, 257AI, and the 250AI. Yes there are some like the 35Whelen AI and the 30-30AI that don't make a lot of sense but there are some that are worth your trouble. Once a man gets 40 fire formed cases he's got a lifetime supply of ammo. powdr
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Improved cartridges give gun writers something to write about. It's how they earn the big bucks and go on free hunts.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
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So your telling me not to read the article because it will hurt my feelings about my 280AI?
Do the AI's still improve brass life of was that a myth too...wait don't tell me.
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"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."
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They ain't called improved for no reason.
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I can't find 219 Zippers now however 225 Winchesters will fire as handloads and the extractor will pull them out. No more so called AI's for me. 225 Winchester is a fine round in your fine 1885, quite the combo.
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They ain't called improved for no reason. I guess Mule Deer missed that. Why don't you inform him ? Jerry
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
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I've yet to use an AI that got less speed and shorter case life.
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I've yet to use an AI that got less speed and shorter case life.
Two sincere ?? Did you get more speed, w/o over pressure loads, and longer case life? Jerry
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
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I've yet to use an AI that got less speed and shorter case life.
Two sincere ?? Did you get more speed, w/o over pressure loads, and longer case life? Jerry What have your experiences with AI's been? If you can't figure out that more powder equals more than you should visit Don. When cases don't stretch much, that helps. I really should have typed not needing to trim. The majority of my loads have been book loads, I don't hot rod, but the fact is, they go faster, period. Lots of rounds ain't worth the effort but some are. A 250AI is more skookum fit in a SA, regardless of what many say. Of course it's easy to install a window in a house when someone else has already poured the foundation and framed it.
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Improved cartridges give gun writers something to write about. It's how they earn the big bucks and go on free hunts. Yep, I signed up, still waiting for the call back....
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Nobody with an "improved" chambering is going to say its useless until after they sell it.
But, they do go to 11.
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Mathew 22: 37-39
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But they do go to 11?????? What the hell does that mean? powdr
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