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Yeah I hear JOC was not the type to suffer fools easily... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Forget JOC and EK! If you want a no nonsense gun writer with real experience and a no bull schitt approach, we have our very own JB here on the fire. A better or more knowledgable gun writer has never come along...
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Forget JOC and EK! If you want a no nonsense gun writer with real experience and a no bull schitt approach, we have our very own JB here on the fire. A better or more knowledgable gun writer has never come along... Let's not forget Finn Aagaard... there are few, if any, his equal when it comes to a combination of phenomenal experience in the game fields, an experimental but practical mind, and a fine ability with the English language. Finn Aagaard and John Barsness are my hand's-down favorite writers, but Jack O'Connor belongs in the pantheon of the immortals.
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Bob Milek was another excellent writer.
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Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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Elmer Keith described the .270 as "a damned adequate coyote rifle". OK, whatever  
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I'd use the .270 on anything in NA. On the big bears I would have backup and wouldn't take suboptimal shots though.
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As to the original question,
I was thinking whatever is in the crosshairs.
It is much harder to find bullets that will not work, than ones that will.
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My biggest bull fell to a properly pointed 270... 10.5 year old 6x6 stud. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa326/bradmacmt/Hunting/bulldown2012_zpse81942e4.jpg)
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Never paid much attention to Keith. He was still shooting tin foil jacketed heavy bullets at BG animals while the rest of the world was on to Nosler Partitions. He never "got it"near as I could tell. So true... I've never been a fan. Me neither. Once I read his stuff about killing animals at 400 yards with an open sighted .44, I figured he was one of "those guys" you meet in a bar and I never believed a word he wrote after. Ignorant loud mouth. Hitting a big-game sized animal at that range is doable by many people with long-range hand gun experience and talent. Actually killing it at that range requires some luck.
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My biggest bull fell to a properly pointed 270... 10.5 year old 6x6 stud. Great bull. I have killed my last several elk with a .270. It works well.
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Elmer was a unsurpassed shot.. Pistol, rifle, or shotgun..
Lots of folks lost a lot of money betting Elmer couldn't hit things at long range with a sixgun..
He also used Nosler bullets in his .340, but stuck with the 275 gr. Speer for the .338..
In many of his works up until about the 50's, he mentioned the .270 as a good gun as long as broadside shots were taken.. I personally feel when he and O'Connor clashed at several affairs, he really took to bad mouthing the .270..
Elmer was an experimenter, developer, all around gun man..
JOC was a writer who wrote about guns..
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Brad,
Didn't you get the memo?
.270's not adequate for large Bulls.
What load/bullet were you using?
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That's what I think too. I believe Elmer wasn't taking shots at the .270 as much as he was taking swipes at O'Connor.
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Forget JOC and EK! If you want a no nonsense gun writer with real experience and a no bull schitt approach, we have our very own JB here on the fire. A better or more knowledgable gun writer has never come along... Well.......yeah! I know that! But even John read JOC and Elmer....  Ingwe: John shoots a 270 though.....I'd like to be a fly on the wall for the conversations you two guys have. 
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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As to the original question,
I was thinking whatever is in the crosshairs.
It is much easier to find bullets that will not work, than ones that will. Hummmm...I was thinking it would be much harder to find bullets that will not work, than ones that will. At least that's been my experience. Right Bahb? I still got it!
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Fixed it, that is what I meant.
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Fixed it, that is what I meant. I was quite sure that's what you meant! Just had to check.
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This bull took a 130 TSX at 564 yds from the 270 win through the top of the heart and absolutely bounced. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg573/pathfinder76/IMG_1969_zpskhbk70cc.jpg)
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This bull took a 130 TSX at 564 yds from the 270 win through the top of the heart and absolutely bounced. Not surprised. Didn't even need that lucky horse shoe on the fence!
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This bull took a 130 TSX at 564 yds from the 270 win through the top of the heart and absolutely bounced. Looks to be a bit destructive on the meat 
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