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Well, so be it.
If you're going to break the firearms laws, then you ought to pay the price. It seems odd that Stag would make massive errors like that.
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Kumor said when licensees fail to follow regulations they can allow the guns to end up in the hands of traffickers and criminals. Why is it OK when our Federal Gov't does it? Indeed. Obummer is kicking crates of M-16's and ammo out the doors of planes over the sands of Syria to whoever finds it. But GOD FORBID that Americans don't play the silly games that the BATFE demands of us. I don't really care what Stag Arms allegedly did at this point, screw FedGov.
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And the big one... Inspectors found 3,000 receivers that had not been stamped with serial numbers that had no record of their manufacture or acquisition and more than 3,000 firearms transferred by Stag without proper records. Think anyone checked to see if Eric Holder knows where they went?
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Blank receivers? Big deal. I suppose when one asks for a special serial # the atf thinks they fall from the sky.
What came first, the stamped serial number or the receiver?
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If the guv says it, there's an agenda behind it.
Book it.
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I believe I read that the guy who ran the machine that engraved the serial numbers had been on vacation and the ATF came in and found a couple weeks worth of production sitting in a pile waiting for the guy to return and engrave and record them. Poor planning and bad timing and the ATF wanting to make an example of someone. Whether they actually can get a jury to convict is yet to be seen but they have all they need to destroy the company and its management financially.
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It appears Stag may or at least could continue operating under new ownership. http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-stag-arms-guilty-plea-federal-court-1223-20151222-story.html"For the first time in Connecticut, and there have only been a few of these prosecutions throughout the nation, a large manufacturer is pleading guilty to a felony charge relating to record-keeping violations," Connecticut U.S. Attorney Deirdre M. Daly said Tuesday. . "This company did not just manufacture small firearms. They manufactured semi-automatic weapons, machine guns, assault weapons," Daly said. "This is not an industry where sloppiness will be tolerated."
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I think Stag will win in the end but will have lost credibity and a ton of money, thus go out of business. Fed harrassment.
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Would be interesting to know exactly what the ATF classified as "machine guns", could be anything from a mis machining of the FCG area to fully assembled with a happy switch or dealer samples not properly documented. Also would be interesting to know what stage of completion the unstamped receivers were at and whether there was intent on the part of Stag to hide the production for illegal sales or receivers destined for another manufacturer. If Malkowski isn't going to jail there may be more ATF shenanigans involved than meets the eye. ATF has been known to target FFL's, maybe they have stepped up to shutting down manufacturers. I was thinking something along the same lines. They once did something similar to a toy gun maker, claiming they could be converted to machine guns.
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Amazing. Cant imagine a company engaging in this chicanery when they know the ATF is watching their every move. Exactly, which means it's likely foul play on the part of the ATF.
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Given the corrupt record of the waffen BATFEces, I don't believe anything they have to say.
That's one group of scumbags I don't render the least bit of respect to when one of them gets smoked.
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Never, ever, doubt the credibility of the ATF, IRS, EPA or other government agency with the mission to protect us. http://www.rep-am.com/business/929074.txt Mark Malkowski, who started the company in 2003, pleaded guilty to a felony charge of possession of a machine gun not registered to the company. As a part of the plea deal Stag will pay a $500,000 fine. Malkowski will pay a $100,000 fine and he will divest himself of his intent in the company. found 62 machine gun receivers registered to another company or not registered. "failed in thousands of instances to adequately document the manufacture and disposition of firearms ... making them more susceptible to theft or loss." And the big one... Inspectors found 3,000 receivers that had not been stamped with serial numbers that had no record of their manufacture or acquisition and more than 3,000 firearms transferred by Stag without proper records.
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I feel like Agent June Stahl in the Sons of Anarchy TV series was probably pretty representative of the ATF.
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I doubt any of this was malicious. They knew the ATF would and does inspect frequently. No doubt they've been through several inspections and no doubt they knew the "rules".
I'd say this is a direct result of poor management. Hell, who knows -- a disgruntled employee could have initiated the whole mess?
I just can't imagine the owner of the company intentionally ignoring the law. He knew the buck would stop with him and he'd be the felon at the end of the day. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'd say there's a little more to this story than we may ever know.
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Well, so be it.
If you're going to break the firearms laws, then you ought to pay the price. It seems odd that Stag would make massive errors like that. Ffuck them. The laws shouldn't exist to begin with. Neither should the ATF. Dave
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I doubt any of this was malicious. They knew the ATF would and does inspect frequently. No doubt they've been through several inspections and no doubt they knew the "rules".
I'd say this is a direct result of poor management. Hell, who knows -- a disgruntled employee could have initiated the whole mess?
I just can't imagine the owner of the company intentionally ignoring the law. He knew the buck would stop with him and he'd be the felon at the end of the day. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'd say there's a little more to this story than we may ever know. I know several FFL holders who were never even bothered by the ATF since they initiated their businesses, 10, 15 even 20 years ago. That all changed when Obama took office. Since then there has been a purge of FFL holders. I have no idea about this particular incident, because it involves the byzantine minutiae of ATF regs which are boring enough to read if they involve you personally. Most FFL holders I know are so paranoid that they do an excellent job following the laws-which are bogus to begin with IMO. Point of all this being: It wouldn't surprise me a bit if it was malicious given their track record of just things I know about personally.
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Well, so be it.
If you're going to break the firearms laws, then you ought to pay the price. It seems odd that Stag would make massive errors like that. Ffuck them. The laws shouldn't exist to begin with. Neither should the ATF. Dave Okay, this makes my post superfluous.
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit if it was malicious given their track record of just things I know about personally. Everything they do is malicious. Look at their fugking job. Their whole existence is based on fugking with the manufacturers and retailers of three of the four greatest things on the planet. And what do any of these stupid ass laws prevent anyway? A guy making too much beer in his basement? A gun that's quiet? A .308 that fires too many rounds per minute? An unhealthy cigarette? Buncha butt-fugks. Dave
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Kumor said when licensees fail to follow regulations they can allow the guns to end up in the hands of traffickers and criminals. Why is it OK when our Federal Gov't does it? Yep, one has to wonder exactly how f'd up our country really is......
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit if it was malicious given their track record of just things I know about personally. Everything they do is malicious. Look at their fugking job. Their whole existence is based on fugking with the manufacturers and retailers of three of the four greatest things on the planet. And what do any of these stupid ass laws prevent anyway? A guy making too much beer in his basement? A gun that's quiet? A .308 that fires too many rounds per minute? An unhealthy cigarette? Buncha butt-fugks. Dave Especially after Fast and Furious I just can't imagine siding with the ATF on almost anything. I guess if they actually busted some Muslim sect planning a terrorist attack with fully automatic weapons smuggled in I would support that. I've got to where I'd just wonder if it was one of their own black ops they decided to sell out for publicity or because some legit agency was on to their "assets". Most of the time they are just [bleep] with people who made some honest mistake, like a clerical error. The only good that comes out of it is to illustrate how corrupt our government is and how they don't follow their own laws and regulations.
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