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Of the 6 280s I have, the 2 custom builds are 24". Should be just fine for 280AI, if or when I decide rechamber.
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Mine's 24" and feels just right
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My Borden/Kampfeld 280 AI wears a 23" tube. Pushes 140's to 3200 fps, shoots 3/8 moa @ 100 yards and weighs 6 lb 13 oz.
What's not to like?
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24+. My 284 has 28" and that gives about the velocity of a 7 mag with shorter barrel.
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Yep, it almost makes me think I don't need my 06 anymore....
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I have had 3 280ai's in 24". Lilja#4 Bartlein #3 Hart #3 currently. I would not want any shorter or longer. Bartlein #3 was nose heavy @24", Lilja was a little nose heavy. Hart is perfectly balanced in an edge fill stock. I am going with a Hawk Hill #2 on a 6.5x47 build. It is a copy of the Bartlein 2b contour. Wondering if should stick with 24" or go shorter. The balance of the barrel matters to me slightly more than the velocity gain/loss.
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My reasoning is if I am going to carry a longer barrel it will be chambered in a bigger case than a 280AI. I have a 24" 7 Mag that's only a half pound heavier and about 200 fps faster.
REMBO and I must have trained under the same chronograph.... I'm with you guys.
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I would not bother with a .280. My Kimber Montana 7mm WSM and 270 WSM's weigh less and have more range than most 280's or 270's for that matter. If you had the 84L Montana in 280 AI you would have a much better handling rifle. And pretty much duplicate the 7 WSM performance. I'd go 24" on the Ackley
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I wouldn't pay that much for a Kimber - you are goofy
$1,200 bucks for that thing...
I spent less on my finnlight when I bought it.
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I wouldn't pay that much for a Kimber - you are goofy
$1,200 bucks for that thing...
I spent less on my finnlight when I bought it. I was just pointing out Savage 99's bullshit.
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22" on my M70 FW & it works nicely.
I wouldn't put a 24" on my 06 so why on my 280 AI?
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My last rifle purchase, last summer, was a Kimber 84L MA-280AI and it handles perfectly with the factory tube at 24". I do NOT use the brake, but, slightly more muzzle weight would be OK.
After 50+ years of packing about 150 different rifles all over BC and some other parts of western Canada, I have come to prefer a 23" tube on all of mine. No reason, just like it and that is damned near as important as accuracy, IME and IMO.
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My 280 Ack is 24" Pac Nor #3 contour, with a 1:8 twist.
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I have a 25" on my HCR and am getting 3100 fps with 150 gr Ballistic Tips and 7828sc.
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I wouldn't pay that much for a Kimber - you are goofy
$1,200 bucks for that thing...
I spent less on my finnlight when I bought it. That's the way I feel about Finnlites, but to each his own. Now you're rebarrelling your bargain Finnlite because they don't chamber what you want, and I assume you'll be restocking it too. BTW - Last Montana I bought was $950 NIB.
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The finnlight was a 270 I just couldn't hang with the gayness of it.
As for Sako vs Kimber - I like the option to carry extra magazines, and love the bolt throw...
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Ok. I can understand the detachable magazines. I am not a fan of them, but I know a lot of people like them. Depending on how you hunt, I know they can be pretty handy. I appreciate the short-lift, but on three-lug rifles I've had the bolt lift was hard (due to the shorter camming ramp). For me, two lug bolts operate easier. As I said, to each his own Regarding the 270, if it's a shooter I would keep it a 270, but we all have to spend our money as we see fit
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Sako 85s,especially the finnlite is [bleep] junk. 1899 cdn for a plastic stock, taper locked scope mounts and fugged up ejector system.
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My reasoning is if I am going to carry a longer barrel it will be chambered in a bigger case than a 280AI. I have a 24" 7 Mag that's only a half pound heavier and about 200 fps faster.
REMBO and I must have trained under the same chronograph.... I think so, it's called the chronograph of reality without all the jacked up emotion and defending of cartridge choices that a lot of guys seem to go with. I've had guys in shock when they find out I have both a 280AI and a 7 Rem Mag,...they just can't see why one would have both. Then they tell you about their 308's and 30-06's..:-) I remember when my son first shot his 280AI. I had just sold his hunting buddy a NIB stainless/walnut M70 Fwt in 270....The 270 was running 3135 fps with a 130 gr.,pretty much the same velocties as the 280AI with 10 grs less bullet weight. No deer will be able to discern that. I've chambered 7 or 8 280AI's and there's no magic in it. Nothing wrong with it, it's just not a 7 Rem Mag all other things being equal. The 10 gr more powder capacity of the 7 Mag does make a difference just like the approximate 10 grs case capacity differences of many other rounds like 308 to 30-06, 30-06 to 300 Win Mag, 223 to 22-250, 243 to 240 Wby etc. etc.
"after the bullet leaves the barrel it doesn't care what headstamp was on the case" "The 221 Fireball is what the Hornet could have been had it stayed in school"
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Yea, a 280ai will never have the power of a 7mm Rem. And in practical hunting terms, it doesn't do anything a good old 30-06 won't do.
It's only a matter of personal preference. For me, the 280 Ack has a bunch of small advantages that are not worth arguing individually. But added together, and for someone who reloads, it makes a pretty sweet package.
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