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When is a surface vessel a "boat" and when is it a "ship"???
I don't think its down to size or armament alone, as "gunboats" used to be a fair size and fairly heavily armed??
Is it to do with the vessels draught???
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I think there's some overlap here and there, but much of it has to do with hull design - displacement hulls vs planing hulls.
Ships use a displacement hull. Boats such as the old PTs, Swift and/or pleasurecraft like bass boats et al use a planing style.
However, submarines which are obviously NEVER on plane are always referred to as "boats"..
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You can put a boat on a ship, but can't put a ship on a boat.
US Naval ships will all start will the moniker "USS _", that is except for subs, which are boats.
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You can put a boat on a ship, but can't put a ship on a boat.
US Naval ships will all start will the moniker "USS _", that is except for subs, which are boats.
Logic and the military are not always almost never well acquainted. Fixed it.
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USS stands for United States Ship, so there is that. Except as stated above a submarine is always a boat, even though it is USS. Torpedo boats are boats, frigates are ships. Somewhere in there is the break. I am not sure what the criteria is.
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Commissioning Pendant and all the things that come with a Commanding Officer etc. it's that simple. Subs like Redneck said are called boats, mainly as a term of endearment and tradition as the original subs were not commissioned...
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I wonder why those two Navy Ships would surrender to Iran?
Were they unarmed spy boats or were they told not to fight, just surrender?
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Coast Guard, a ship is 65' in length or greater and is named. US Coast Guard Cutter (USCGC) Bernard C. Webber
Under 65' it is numbered, a 41 footer for example would could have the call sign 'CG 41326'
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And yes, a ship in the CG has a commanding officer, a boat does not.
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The old definition of a ship was that it had at least 3 masts and all the sails were square. We got away from that, over time.
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Oddly enough, the freighters on the Great Lakes are often called 'boats' even though they are several hundred feet to over a thousand feet long.
Technically incorrect, but common useage.
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And yes, a ship in the CG has a commanding officer, a boat does not. Who is in charge of a <65' boat?
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Subs are called "boats" and we aviators call a carrier a "boat", I think it's just 'cause we like to pi$$ off the blackshoes 
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Boats can be set on the deck of a ship!
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The aviators were referred to as passengers.
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The aviators were referred to as passengers. Maybe so but I got to LEAVE the boat a couple of times a day/night
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F'kin' taxi drivers/crew.... 
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The aviators were referred to as passengers. Maybe so but I got to LEAVE the boat a couple of times a day/night Was the airport always there when you got back?
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