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The only thing that comes to mind is "shall not be infringed"
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teacher and her paki spouse don't have a leg to stand on with this one.
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Doesn't seem appropriate for the FBI to have any involvement in that case. What Federal law was violated?
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A woman teacher, a US citizen who was a good teacher, married a Pakistani national who came to the US on a spousal visa. ...
A short time ago two FBI agents visited the headmaster and explained that they had gotten a tip that the woman had an AR15. The tip came from an adjacent state.
What do you think? I think a terrorist attack has been thwarted. I think you're right. Then they need to be arrested for terrorist activity or connections. Not kicked off a private campus for legally owning a firearm.
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Doesn't seem appropriate for the FBI to have any involvement in that case. What Federal law was violated? It was the "I'm a Muslim from Pakistan who married an American girl so I could come to the United States, have her buy me an AR-15, so I could blow away a bunch of people at work because (1) I'm a Muslim radical, and (2) I hate the people I work with" law. Let's try to focus on the Pakistani national, here, and not the American wife. Who, incidentally, I cordially invite to move to Pakistan to live with her mother-in-law, be treated like a dog, and then find out in 10 years that she can't take her children home with her when she gets tired of being a doormat. But by all means, let's wait for the Pakistani national to blow his American coworkers away first, before we let law enforcement show an interest.
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You didn't say, but I assume the gun was in their housing on school property. If that is the case, then I have no problem whatsoever with them being fired. The fact it involves a gun doesn't matter. They violated their terms of employment. They did not have to work and/or live there or store their firearm there.
I'm not allowed to bring a gun to work and would probably be fired if I did. It doesn't keep me from owning and using guns anywhere except for at work. If I thought that was an issue I'd work somewhere else.
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Assuming the housing was actually on the campus grounds (I presume it was) and not just housing that was owned by the school, then she (and her husband) should have either not had the rifle in the house or, told the headmaster before moving in and trying to work it out. On-campus housing is obviously "on-campus", and the rules should have been followed. On the other hand, I've signed employee agreements (including that I've read the employee handbook) without actually reading the whole book - my bad, but it's never bitten me.
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Slippery slope. Why did the FBI have the knowledge they had? Best guess is he is a Paki national. The 64k question is would (or are) the FBI doing this to say a Constitutionalist or even say a Campfire member???
Did they get the info from a 4473? Homeland security suspicion?
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Let's try to focus on the Pakistani national, here, and not the American wife. Deport the mofo if we have reason to believe he's a terrorist. But don't send the FBI to "ask questions" because his wife violated a private employment contract while legally possessing a firearm.
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The AR15 was definitely in their quarters on school property.
As for some other questions asked by posters: First, I am not going to disclose any names or even the state for obvious reasons, but this story is no BS. I heard it "from the horse's mouth," so to speak.
Second, the FBI did not enforce the school's policy. The FBI, for whatever reason, was investigating the woman's purchase of the rifle in another state. In the process, they had to alert the headmaster because the couple lived on school property. It was the headmaster, not the FBI, who enforced the school policy.
If some details are lacking, I'm sure the FBI would not have told the school anything more than what they absolutely needed to know.
I don't know if the woman had a Pakistani background or not.
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Be careful and aware of what you sign...
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The only thing that comes to mind is "shall not be infringed" That really does not apply here since it was private property and the government did not do the firing or write the manual. She was not fired for owning a rifle. She was fired for having it on school property in violation of the policies she signed. All she had to do was live somewhere else or keep it somewhere else. The school officials acted properly if the story is complete and accurate as told. It does, however, sound as if there is a back story that has not been told. It would be interesting and perhaps quite frightening to know the whole story.
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Wouldn't it be nice and tidy for the anti-gun lobby to make a connection to terrorism with the AR15? Just perfect.
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That's the way it is when you work for schools, here anyway. Lots of employers don't allow firearms on their premises.
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I think it's a hoax. There's no federal law on having a gun on private school grounds and the FBI doesn't engage in enforcement of employment policies. This too. Why would the FBI investigate legal ownership of an AR anyway. Maybe the Paki was on a watch list. Anyway not enough details.
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If the First Amendment (school prayer etc.) applies to local schools, why doesn't the Second?
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If the First Amendment (school prayer etc.) applies to local schools, why doesn't the Second? The Bill of Right limits the government rather than private individuals or private institutions on their own property. Public government schools are a different matter. That situation gets quite muddled. I think that now you can possess a firearm in your car on campuses in NC.
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Good thing she didn't work at the Post Office or the VA Hospital. Etc.
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Doesn't seem appropriate for the FBI to have any involvement in that case. What Federal law was violated? It was the "I'm a Muslim from Pakistan who married an American girl so I could come to the United States, have her buy me an AR-15, so I could blow away a bunch of people at work because (1) I'm a Muslim radical, and (2) I hate the people I work with" law. Let's try to focus on the Pakistani national, here, and not the American wife. Who, incidentally, I cordially invite to move to Pakistan to live with her mother-in-law, be treated like a dog, and then find out in 10 years that she can't take her children home with her when she gets tired of being a doormat. But by all means, let's wait for the Pakistani national to blow his American coworkers away first, before we let law enforcement show an interest. I agree. I can't help but focus on the Paki national who found a lovely teacher to bring him to America and buy "them" a firearm. I also don't believe that the type of "world-traveler" teacher that would marry a Paki, is also someone who naturally gravitates towards firearms without some prompting. This was a private school, so their rules apply, and I applaud them for enforcing their policy. The LAST thing this country needs is another school shooting brought to us by the religion of peace. And while it'll sound hypocritical to those sit poised to sound the alarm, I'm delighted that a rural school in Idaho decided to arm their teachers with ARs because police response time is crazy long.
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