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my M70 .325 WSM tweaked by Corlane Sports in Dawson Creek BC. 200 grain accu-bond. Because when I do my job the rifle has always done its from 8 yards to 375 yards, springbuck to eland and all points in between.
At least yearly I "run" the silhouettes at the range; one shot each for chickens, pigs, turkeys and rams, so I know hits with rifle are definitely doable at 510 yards.
Never shot game at 510 yards, don't think I would but the original poster set the guidelines.
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I think it's interesting that even though the OP specifically asked about the ideal rifle, almost all the replies including those from guys who have "been there/done that" focus on the cartridge. Even though the OP gave some specifics that would make the rifle construction probably more important than the cartridge. There are plenty of cartridges up to the task.
Open sage country and a 500 yard shot prone over a pack would point me in the direction of a rifle built for that kind of shooting. Open sage country's normally not on top of a mountain so the weight of the rifle isn't that important. Prone over a pack takes handling and balance mostly out of the equation too.
So I'd pick a rifle that I don't own, one that's a good bit heavier than my elk rifles, with a heavy contour (5 or more) 26" barrel for the extra weight to tame recoil and extra velocity that comes with a longer barrel (don't currently own any 26's). And a suppressor so that I could stay in the scope, see the hit and see the animal's reaction. In a stock that had an adjustable cheek piece or one that's designed to be shot from prone. Topped by a good fixed 10X scope, probably an S&B PM II.
Probably in .284, but that's not as important as the rifle build.
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I think it's interesting that even though the OP specifically asked about the ideal rifle, almost all the replies including those from guys who have "been there/done that" focus on the cartridge. Even though the OP gave some specifics that would make the rifle construction probably more important than the cartridge. There are plenty of cartridges up to the task.
Open sage country and a 500 yard shot prone over a pack would point me in the direction of a rifle built for that kind of shooting. Open sage country's normally not on top of a mountain so the weight of the rifle isn't that important. Prone over a pack takes handling and balance mostly out of the equation too.
So I'd pick a rifle that's I don't own, one that's a good bit heavier than my elk rifles, with a heavy contour (5 or more) 26" barrel for the extra weight to tame recoil and extra velocity that comes with a longer barrel (don't currently own any 26's). And a suppressor so that I could stay in the scope, see the hit and see the animal's reaction. In a stock that had an adjustable cheek piece or one that's designed to be shot from prone. Topped by a good fixed 10X scope, probably an S&B PM II.
Probably in .284, but that's not as important as the rifle build. OK....fair enough! I'd still use my M70 Mashburn.   #2 Krieger, Classic action,Echols legend Edge. 6X leupold and 7.5 pounds empty. Similar, another Classic with Brux #2 and Borden RR stock. 6X SS. Slightly heavier than the Mashburn. Take a scale to tell. Have been shooting both to 600 since seasons ended,and will hopefully do more. today . If I were putting something together for that kind of elk hunting it would look and spec an awful lot like this. In fact the previously mentioned 300 Win Mag was an earlier version of this, with slightly different components. http://www.hallowellco.com/pearce_rifle_co%20300%20Win%20Mag.htm
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Interesting observation, Smokepole. I wish I could say I've "BTDT", but only "BT". This is THE rig though. My range is 505, I'd take that shot without hesitation. ![[Linked Image]](http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/16bore/24%20Hr/greenmachine201_zpskds5bj4n.jpg)
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That's cheating, no bipods.
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I thought this might be a fun twist on gun selection... Instead of picking "the best caliber for deer", or "the best antelope rifle", I'll lay out a situation, and you pick your ideal rifle for those conditions. To avoid a pisssin' contest, let's all just assume the shooter is someone who practices often and can make the shot presented. Situation: Quarry: Bull Elk (let's shoot for the moon and say he's 380"+) Animal's demeanor: feeding & calm Animals orientation: ever so slightly quartering towards you Terrain: Open sage country (assume you can't get closer) Distance: 510 yards Shooter position/rest: Prone across the hunters back pack Shooter demeanor: Calm as one could be when shooting at a 380" bull  Wind: little to no wind, assume 0-5 mph Temperature: 30 degrees Fahrenheit Other weather notes: No snow, but the weather man says that it will (they're never right... or are they?). Well, there you have it... I have my own opinion, but let's hear which gun/ammo combo you would you want in this situation... The one with which I'm most familiar, and that'd be my Rem. 700 .30-06. Those conditions aren't that radical; any decent rifle capable of even 2MOA consistently chambered in any 6mm and up caliber on the x51, x57, x61 (or larger), WSM, or belted magnum cases and firing a good bullet will do the job nicely - as long as the shooter is capable of and confident in the shot.
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I dream of that chance on any legal bull just once. 340 weatherby with a good 200 gr. or 210 NPT.
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That's cheating, no bipods. Just for pics.....
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Some very interesting (and varied) responses! Keep them coming!
I've hunted some of this rolling sage country, and due to its open nature, I find that my walks are often much, much longer than when hunting the "more traditional" mountain country. So, while the terrain is probably not as rugged/steep, I don't think I'd want to be carrying a terribly heavy rifle. At the same time, I don't necessarily subscribe to the ultra-light rifle mentality... I'd be better served to loose that weight around my waist line, than on my gun.
I personally don't own a magnum, so out of my current inventory, my choice would be my Interarms Mark X in 30-06, 24" barrel, and it would be pushing a 180gr Accubond. This combination has taken elk at 400, and I suspect it would do the same at 510 yards, if I do my part.
BUT, based on my research, I think my "ideal" rifle would probably be a "middle-weight" (perhaps a walnut/blue configuration), with a 24" barrel (maybe a 26" since there's not much tree cover to get hung up on). Chamber it in 7mag and hand load some 160gr Accubonds. Then I would top it off with a quality 4-12 of some sort.
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I'd be having to look for a way closer or having to wait to see if he comes closer as I don't have a rifle I'm comfortable with for a shot that far.
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Rifle would be my LH M70 chambered .300H&H pushing 200gr NPT's. However, as others have stated, I would not risk the shot at that distance without additional practice. Current self imposed limit would be ~300 yards. My limitation. Not the rifle's...
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Limiting myself to what I have in the safe. It would be my .300 win mag Shaw Mk.VII, it's a boat anchor but it's stable, accurate as hell and wearing a 6x36 with dots. 180gr Partition or Grand Slam.
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