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Am I less of a human being for LMAO at that?

Lets try this another way. So you have occasion to have a known armed felon who has threatened to shoot it out with you at gun point outside of a stolen vehicle that you know has loaded weapons in it. Rather then listen to your orders this subject continually reaches onto his jacket.

Are you seriously trying to tell me you think that someone would not be justified in firing on said subject.

Heres a hint as it typically applies to a justified self defense shootings, the situation must meet the Basic Standard.

The Basic Standard: You may legally use deadly force only when there is an immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent.

Immediate and Unavoidable Danger is applied based on answering 3 elements.
Ability: means that the other person has the power to kill or to cripple you.

Opportunity: means that the circumstances are such that the other person would be able to use his ability against you.

Jeopardy: means that the other person’s actions or words provide you with a reasonably-perceived belief that he intends to kill you or cripple you.



So now that you know the basic federal requirements to a justified self defense shooting what part of the video isnt consistent with these standards?

I am not totally against some of what those idiots were saying. However, those fools were in a no-win situation and did not have the support of the public. They tried to be big and tough and when it came down to the nut cutting, only one stood up for what he believed and said. The rest were wannabes.

The cops did exactly what they should have done. How many times is a cop suppose to let a dumbass reach for his waste band before killing him? Cops of whatever level have a difficult job full of life or death situations. They have to make a decision and deal with the consequences.

I would have shot that dumb bastard the first time he reached for his waste, after all the bs he was spreading about never going to jail. I made it through 27 years of federal law enforcement without having to make that decision, but morons seem to abound these days. Good shoot and good ending compared to what it could have been.

Geno,

I hear ya. It's my goal to be reasonable and not rush to judgment. The FBI released the video, we watch it and see what we see. Aside from this video, we (the public) have had no other evidence presented to us. Evidence about what happened on that snowy road. We've read and heard statements, but that's it. At this point, I see no reason to commit to a theory of what happened. Maybe I'm more comfortable suspending judgment than the average person. To each their own. After all, it's a fine line between naivety and paranoia, although most would argue naivety is much less painful.

Sure it would. If I wanted suicide by cop, I'd keep reaching into my jacket until I got it.

Don't try to confuse me with facts.

Joseywales,



The second guy stayed near the car on the solid snow. The cops already made there point by unnecessarily killing the first guy.

I'll bet you're hell on the monkeys at the zoo, when they start flinging their chit at folks......

Idaho_Shooter,



That's why the shooters in Idaho are in jail now, isn't it?



I see. The ones on here who disagree with you are unreasonable. Clear to me.

MallardAddict,



How do you know he was not told to open his jacket?



Yes.



Correct. We did not see him threaten anyone.

Good Lord, you're an idiot of Biblical proportions.

Having driven in snow before and knowing what that's like, did Lavoy think he was going to get around the roadblock vehicles?

Have you ever seen God? Yet you believe, based on your learning, maybe your experiences, etc.

I'm guessing that the LEOs believed this guy was a threat. Based on their experience with him, his own preaching, and years of experience. They didn't need to see a gun or device. He acted and they believed.

The shooting in Council was an entirely ditterent situation. I firmly believe those two deputies should be imprisoned, one for manslaughter, the other for murder. But in that case, none of Mr. Yantis's friends and family is quoted as saying he charged at police officers. Nor did Mr. Yantis display a felonious mindset by attempting to run a road block, endagering the lives of his passengers and officers.

The two deputies in Council are accountable to the public, even if they may not believe so. I sincerely wish the details of the FBI investigation to be released several months ago.

Reasonable person,.......seems to be a concept encountered in court room situations.

I, as a layman, figured it might mean that if 100 people look at a scenario and 99 reach the same conclusion, the one might be considered to not be of reasonable mindset.

My god....does your iq go higher than potato?

Have you paid attention to his posts over the years? If so, you'd not insult a potato.

It would have been cruel to live capture a man with dreams of martydom, humiliatingly putting him in a cell where he vowed he would not go..

Idaho_Shooter



Your illustration sounds reasonable to me. If the numbers were 60 / 40 which group would be reasonable.

There's more to the entire story than just the FBI video tells as well...

Ryan Bundy was also shot, so there was more shooting going on somewhere, directed at the group.

It'd be interesting to see THAT footage as well. (Not that anyone would agree on what they just saw...)

Honestly Sean....no I haveht, because I keep forgetting which Ring_______ is an idiot, so I pretty much pass both of em by