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He reloads his cartridges for maximized performance.
And has BDC and ft/lb impact charts out to 4000 yards/meters.
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Yup.  ya mean you guys don't????  Mine are both in sophisticated English ( like the Rich in London Speak)... and in HochDeutsch.. Plus Parisian French... I deleted the Espanole Option...hear enough of that in line at Walmart.. whether its good Spanish or Bad Spanish.... its an irritating language to my ear... Nope,I just gotta kill stuff with peon scopes,rifles and bullets. Some scopes speak Span-gish to me though.  You did know that paddler uses bullets that return if they don't hit the target,paper or game.
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In extreme cases, where the continued gestation of the child would threaten the mother's life I can stomach abortion.
Other than that, they're murdering unborn children as a form of birth control.
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You did know that paddler uses bullets that return if they don't hit the target,paper or game.
We don't have to buy boomerang bullets. We can make our own by smashing them with a hammer before chambering them. 
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Snyper - clearly 4ager has completely dismantled your position.
You say the fetus is human. If, as you also say, no one other than the mother has any right to decide the fate of this human being through possible abortion, why then is it not the sole "right" of any mother to kill a child once it is outside the womb?
P.S. - it already has been established that legality alone is not a substitute for morality or ethical behavior. I'm not going to bother arguing with irrational crap such as that since it's been used repeatedly It's "been established" you don't get to dictate ethics and morals for others. That job has been taken by ISIS
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You keep repeating yourself
The father has no choice because he's not the one taking all the risk.
The unborn child still has no rights, just like the dog example I used.
The Nazi crap is exactly that....crap
Slavery was legal, but now it's not
Abortion was illegal and now it is
Both are improvements, whether you happen to agree or not Margaret Sanger was part and parcel of the Nazi planning, and the creator of Planned Parenthood for the same reasons; eugenics. This is historical fact. The dog analogy fails because the child is, as you admit, human. Because something is legal, or illegal, does not make it morally or ethically right. This is entirely the case in point, and thus the references to blacks and women formerly having no rights is accurate. You cannot simply dismiss those points as they are pertinent to the issue at hand. The father is, in fact, taking substantial risks in the case of the child. However, that is irrelevant to the discussion as it is illegal to discriminate between the sexes, illegal to give rights and privileges differently between the sexes, and if under your concept the child is mere property of the mother then it is equally so property of the father based upon biology and the anti-discrimination laws. In light of this, please continue. Why should I continue when all you do is parrot the same things endlessly? The father isn't risking anything because a a pregnancy, and to even suggest that shows you're not serious, or not smart. Sanger died before abortions were legal, and she didn't support them at all, showing you know the buzzwords but not the details
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Snyper - clearly 4ager has completely dismantled your position.
You say the fetus is human. If, as you also say, no one other than the mother has any right to decide the fate of this human being through possible abortion, why then is it not the sole "right" of any mother to kill a child once it is outside the womb?
P.S. - it already has been established that legality alone is not a substitute for morality or ethical behavior. I'm not going to bother arguing with irrational crap such as that since it's been used repeatedly It's "been established" you don't get to dictate ethics and morals for others. That job has been taken by ISIS Irrational? The argument presented to you is entirely logical and rational. There is no hyperbole, no ad hominem, and only a very logical, legal, and rational progression from accepted fact (state of baby being human through a discussion of humans as property to law, etc). I've very much be interested in your refutation of the argument presented. Please do continue.
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You keep repeating yourself
The father has no choice because he's not the one taking all the risk.
The unborn child still has no rights, just like the dog example I used.
The Nazi crap is exactly that....crap
Slavery was legal, but now it's not
Abortion was illegal and now it is
Both are improvements, whether you happen to agree or not Margaret Sanger was part and parcel of the Nazi planning, and the creator of Planned Parenthood for the same reasons; eugenics. This is historical fact. The dog analogy fails because the child is, as you admit, human. Because something is legal, or illegal, does not make it morally or ethically right. This is entirely the case in point, and thus the references to blacks and women formerly having no rights is accurate. You cannot simply dismiss those points as they are pertinent to the issue at hand. The father is, in fact, taking substantial risks in the case of the child. However, that is irrelevant to the discussion as it is illegal to discriminate between the sexes, illegal to give rights and privileges differently between the sexes, and if under your concept the child is mere property of the mother then it is equally so property of the father based upon biology and the anti-discrimination laws. In light of this, please continue. Why should I continue when all you do is parrot the same things endlessly? The father isn't risking anything because a a pregnancy, and to even suggest that shows you're not serious, or not smart. Sanger died before abortions were legal, and she didn't support them at all, showing you know the buzzwords but not the details The father is at risk for at least 18 years of financial support. That is a risk and that is undeniable. Is it the same risk? No, but it is a risk. Sanger came up because you insisted that the allusion to Nazis was incorrect; it is not historically. And, she did in fact support abortions - through her eugenics work and during the creation of PP for the purpose of eugenics. However, it is a red herring. Now, please continue to refute the argument presented to you. As for repetition; you're quite handy at the same.
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Let's sum this up, Snyper.
You're making a dual argument of property rights and of risk. It's really the only two arguments available to the pro-abortion side.
The property rights argument fails miserably once the biological and logical concession must be made that the baby is in fact human, and a distinct individual human. From there, the only property rights argument (the "it's hers to do with it as she sees fit" argument) falls due the illegality and immorality of slavery, which is the only means of one human reducing another to property. To defend abortion on these grounds would necessitate defending slavery.
To the risk argument, the mother is not the only person taking a risk. The father clearly has a financial risk involved. The child is literally risking it's life. When balancing those risks, the risk of one's life outweighs any other risks involved. Only when the life of the mother is at risk, medically, are those risks balanced and does the maxim of self-defense come into play, or in the case of rape/incest the causation of a violent bodily harm causing the pregnancy, and this easily negated in the earliest days for the same self-defense rationale.
So, there is no irrational argument made here. There is no illogical argument made here. Please address each, as they sum up and attack your two positions quite discretely. I await your answers.
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You did know that paddler uses bullets that return if they don't hit the target,paper or game.
We don't have to buy boomerang bullets. We can make our own by smashing them with a hammer before chambering them. I only buy bullets that don't miss. Just like the rifles I own.
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BTW - if the socially and politically emasculated Paddler wants to join in the same argument, he should feel free to do so.
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He reloads his cartridges for maximized performance.
And has BDC and ft/lb impact charts out to 4000 yards/meters.
In English and German.
Yup. ya mean you guys don't???? Mine are both in sophisticated English ( like the Rich in London Speak)... and in HochDeutsch.. Plus Parisian French... I deleted the Espanole Option...hear enough of that in line at Walmart.. whether its good Spanish or Bad Spanish.... its an irritating language to my ear... Nope,I just gotta kill stuff with peon scopes,rifles and bullets. Some scopes speak Span-gish to me though. You did know that paddler uses bullets that return if they don't hit the target,paper or game. wadda ya wanna bet that Padidler has a $50K gun with a $48.85 Tasco on top... the some quick thinking clerk told him it was a $5000.00 scope....
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The clerk sold him a scope from the German company Scheitz & Schitznel.
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wadda ya wanna bet that Padidler has a $50K gun with a $48.85 Tasco on top... the some quick thinking clerk told him it was a $5000.00 scope.... Hey Seafire - be careful. You can point out all of the weird and stupid things about Padidler you wish - until the cows come home - but don't start insinuating anything about those Tasco scopes. Padidler may not have normal emotional responses, but other folks do. I sure don't have any high-priced and fancy rifles, but have some Tascos that work as good as anything else - for me. Now, cut it out.
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You own Tasco's? 
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Snyper are you saying we get rid of all laws and have a free for all.Thats insane. Snyper - clearly 4ager has completely dismantled your position.
You say the fetus is human. If, as you also say, no one other than the mother has any right to decide the fate of this human being through possible abortion, why then is it not the sole "right" of any mother to kill a child once it is outside the womb?
P.S. - it already has been established that legality alone is not a substitute for morality or ethical behavior. I'm not going to bother arguing with irrational crap such as that since it's been used repeatedly It's "been established" you don't get to dictate ethics and morals for others. That job has been taken by ISIS
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You own Tasco's? Me too. [embarrassed] They make nice pegs for my 39 dollar walmart tent.
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wadda ya wanna bet that Padidler has a $50K gun with a $48.85 Tasco on top... the some quick thinking clerk told him it was a $5000.00 scope.... Hey Seafire - be careful. You can point out all of the weird and stupid things about Padidler you wish - until the cows come home - but don't start insinuating anything about those Tasco scopes. Padidler may not have normal emotional responses, but other folks do. I sure don't have any high-priced and fancy rifles, but have some Tascos that work as good as anything else - for me. Now, cut it out. Sorry Paul... didn't mean to insult your scope collection.... I own Leupolds and a batch of other brand stuff to include a serviceable scope brand called Taco.... wait a minute... there is an S between that A and C....  Never mind.....
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You keep repeating yourself
The father has no choice because he's not the one taking all the risk.
The unborn child still has no rights, just like the dog example I used.
The Nazi crap is exactly that....crap
Slavery was legal, but now it's not
Abortion was illegal and now it is
Both are improvements, whether you happen to agree or not You say both are improvements, however using your logic if slavery was still legal you would have no problem owning a few, it would be, after all, legal.
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Snyper - clearly 4ager has completely dismantled your position.
You say the fetus is human. If, as you also say, no one other than the mother has any right to decide the fate of this human being through possible abortion, why then is it not the sole "right" of any mother to kill a child once it is outside the womb?
P.S. - it already has been established that legality alone is not a substitute for morality or ethical behavior. I'm not going to bother arguing with irrational crap such as that since it's been used repeatedly It's "been established" you don't get to dictate ethics and morals for others. That job has been taken by ISIS Irrational? The argument presented to you is entirely logical and rational. There is no hyperbole, no ad hominem, and only a very logical, legal, and rational progression from accepted fact (state of baby being human through a discussion of humans as property to law, etc). I've very much be interested in your refutation of the argument presented. Please do continue. It's not rational to ask why someone can't murder a child after it's born. Abortions are done before the child is viable. The "argument presented" is the argument parroted since the first post, and the repetition is pointless. It's none of your business what others do as long as it's legal and it doesn't affect you directly The morals and ethics of others aren't your concern either
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