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Originally Posted by dodgefan
The question was do laws dictate ethics and morality?
If so, whose? Taken to a logical extreme you are saying that if shooting people for giggles was legal it would be perfectly fine and we would be wrong for saying it wasn't and trying to pass laws against it.

That's not a logical extreme, that's allowing mentally ill people and their lifestyle choices to be considered rational as a society fashions laws to govern the behavior of everyone in that society.


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Originally Posted by Magnumdood
Originally Posted by dodgefan
The question was do laws dictate ethics and morality?
If so, whose? Taken to a logical extreme you are saying that if shooting people for giggles was legal it would be perfectly fine and we would be wrong for saying it wasn't and trying to pass laws against it.

That's not a logical extreme, that's allowing mentally ill people and their lifestyle choices to be considered rational as a society fashions laws to govern the behavior of everyone in that society.



It's "been established" you don't get to dictate ethics and morals for others.



You're comparing illegal acts to something which is legal.
That was addressed several pages back. If you don't agree with abortions, don't get one. Just don't tell anyone else what to do as long as it's legal


(Red text is what Snyper said) He's the one that said as long as it's legal it's okay to do.


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Originally Posted by Paddler


I have a riddle for you. What is the difference in extraction between the Mauser 98 and the Model 70? Why is the 98 better?


Everyone knows the answer to that....I think.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

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Not in the least. The video makers are indicted, PP is vindicated. Read 'em and weep, DB.


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If abortion is such a highly sanctioned individual right unique to the mother, why I am I compelled to pay for it with my tax dollars?

What socially redeeming objective is accomplished?

Pro abortion activists have been hiding behind this "women's rights" argument for decades. Roe v Wade was always a morally bankrupt decision. There is nothing in the Constitution that makes abortion a "legal right",especially since the practice clearly deprives another human being of "life and liberty".

PP is an abortion mill. It should not be funded by the Federal Government.




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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Originally Posted by Paddler


I have a riddle for you. What is the difference in extraction between the Mauser 98 and the Model 70? Why is the 98 better?


Everyone knows the answer to that....I think.


Really? Do tell. There's one particular machining step that sets Mausers apart. Explain it to us if you will.


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I know the answer. If I didn't, I wouldn't have posted it.

This isn't a quiz show. But you can explain it if you want. It was your question.

I have owned a lot of both.

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Originally Posted by 4ager

I cannot change your mind because your refuse to think and to even begin to logically, morally, or philosophically defend your indefensible position.

I can, and have, defended my opinions on all those fronts. You, have not, cannot, and will not. Therein lies the difference. You've been granted ample opportunity to do so, and have failed or refused ( or been incapable) of doing so.

I offered you a debate on the merits of the differing positions. Regrettably, you were incapable of rising to the task. You may try again, but this time please do try. The arguments and positions remain the same.

Same old same old

I told you when we started what you would say and you've repeated it 20 times.

You're a slow learner, because I told you I don't care what you think about it. You won't change anyone's mind with your tired rhetoric.

Declaring your view superior doesn't make it so.



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Originally Posted by dodgefan
Originally Posted by Magnumdood
Originally Posted by dodgefan
The question was do laws dictate ethics and morality?
If so, whose? Taken to a logical extreme you are saying that if shooting people for giggles was legal it would be perfectly fine and we would be wrong for saying it wasn't and trying to pass laws against it.

That's not a logical extreme, that's allowing mentally ill people and their lifestyle choices to be considered rational as a society fashions laws to govern the behavior of everyone in that society.



It's "been established" you don't get to dictate ethics and morals for others.



You're comparing illegal acts to something which is legal.
That was addressed several pages back. If you don't agree with abortions, don't get one. Just don't tell anyone else what to do as long as it's legal


(Red text is what Snyper said) He's the one that said as long as it's legal it's okay to do.


Shooting people "for giggles" isn't legal, so I'm not playing silly "what if" games with you. I told you that several pages back.

Under some circumstances shooting people is legal, and it's none of your business if it's done legally

If you don't want an abortion, don't get one.
If someone else wants one, legally, it's none of your business.

It's really quite simple

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Be a lot more simple if the organization providing abortions wasn't funded with my tax dollars.

But they are, so its my business, apparently.

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So, you old f'ers ain't ever going to need anything PP provides. Your tax dollars are not going for abortions. Even if they did, PP is saving the taxpayers money. real money.
Conservatives used to mind their own gd business. Keep on trying to regulate what women can and can't do, and the Republicans will keep on losing.

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Originally Posted by TheOldTree
So, you old f'ers ain't ever going to need anything PP provides. Your tax dollars are not going for abortions. Even if they did, PP is saving the taxpayers money. real money.
Conservatives used to mind their own gd business. Keep on trying to regulate what women can and can't do, and the Republicans will keep on losing.
An old tired argument from an old tree.

They get taxpayer support.

They perform abortions.

They donate to liberal candidates.

That's not an over simplification, chief.

If they did not get taxpayer money, would they still do the same number of abortions, AND offer the same level of other services?

If they did not get taxpayer money, would they still contribute the same amount to liberal candidates?

And are you minding your own GD business right now, mighty old oak tree? Giving me grief as I express concern over this?

I think not.

by the way, sage one. We contribute funds to a private women's clinic- one that does not provide abortions. It's a Christian mission clinic, so yes, I am a mean old conservative zealot.

Just know that before your argument wants to go in that direction.


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Originally Posted by Snyper
Originally Posted by 4ager

I cannot change your mind because your refuse to think and to even begin to logically, morally, or philosophically defend your indefensible position.

I can, and have, defended my opinions on all those fronts. You, have not, cannot, and will not. Therein lies the difference. You've been granted ample opportunity to do so, and have failed or refused ( or been incapable) of doing so.

I offered you a debate on the merits of the differing positions. Regrettably, you were incapable of rising to the task. You may try again, but this time please do try. The arguments and positions remain the same.

Same old same old

I told you when we started what you would say and you've repeated it 20 times.

You're a slow learner, because I told you I don't care what you think about it. You won't change anyone's mind with your tired rhetoric.

Declaring your view superior doesn't make it so.



You had no idea what I would say. You thought it would be a religious argument. It is not.

You cannot, or will not, even consider the logical, moral, and philosophical arguments presented because they destroy your position. That IS a superior argument. There is no way around that fact, either.

As for repetition, your posts define such.

You had your chance at a debate, and still have that chance. Thus far, you and your position have failed at every turn. That, is not my fault and that does not your argument validly make.


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America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Originally Posted by TheOldTree
So, you old f'ers ain't ever going to need anything PP provides. Your tax dollars are not going for abortions. Even if they did, PP is saving the taxpayers money. real money.
Conservatives used to mind their own gd business. Keep on trying to regulate what women can and can't do, and the Republicans will keep on losing.


"Old f'ers", eh? So, we can assume that you, in your youth, can support the logical, moral, and philosophical existence of abortion? Please try, as your fellow abortion apologists are unable to do so.


Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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My support is less significant than the millions of women who have happily used PP.
We should also realize that millions of happily served women by PP, essentially amounts to millions of happier men
So, there's the narcisisstic argument, the one that flies best here.

PP are professionals at what they do, providing healthcare.
Let them do their job.

The videos were total BS and I certainly would expect more discerning behavior from a bunch that get all holier than thou about their pea-shooters.

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The positive thing about these threads is that is shows us who is who on here.

Mostly it's the same liberal twats playing their broken records, but occasionally a new player is added to spin the hits...


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I'm voting for Cruz. Your vote will be cancelled. (At least one of them.)


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
The positive thing about these threads is that is shows us who is who on here.

Mostly it's the same liberal twats playing their broken records, but occasionally a new player is added to spin the hits...


Right? Another gun loving, liberal patriot.


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Originally Posted by TheOldTree

PP are professionals at what they do,


Sure.

So was Mengele.

Pardon the blatant bitch slap, but if you want to answer questions with witticisms from the DU, it's what you get.

Seriously, PP is OK because women are happy, therefore men are happy?

Geez.

I can see how you may get a little offended by anyone being "holier than thou".

If that's the crux of your argument, damn....

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Originally Posted by TheOldTree
My support is less significant than the millions of women who have happily used PP.
We should also realize that millions of happily served women by PP, essentially amounts to millions of happier men
So, there's the narcisisstic argument, the one that flies best here.

PP are professionals at what they do, providing healthcare.
Let them do their job.

The videos were total BS and I certainly would expect more discerning behavior from a bunch that get all holier than thou about their pea-shooters.


In other words, no, you cannot support your position on anything other than the most trivial, superficial level that is neither logically, morally, or philosophical valid. No surprise there.


Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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