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You talkin' to me? Anti-gun? Don't think so. I was going to post photos of my collection but don't think that's wise. Suffice it to say it's above average with some really interesting items. Nothing to see here, just move along now.

Elk, are you trying to impress? Not working.

So ironic, I thought the same thing about you.

Am I?

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

That's the definition of citizenship under the 14th Amendment. The Constitution and the rights guaranteed by it, as well as the protection of laws, is not limited to citizens. Is the baby a person (I.e., a distinct individual human being)? The answer is "yes". Go back and try again.

Let's look at what has been adjudicated. Like it or not, here is what the Court ruled in Roe V. Wade.

http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-14/31-abortion.html

The SCOTUS has also previously ruled (until it overturned itself) that blacks and women were not "persons" under the Constitution either. Were they right then, morally, ethically, logically, and philosophically, simply because they decreed themselves "right" legally? The same analysis of Dred Scott applies to Roe v. Wade. If you'd care to take this to a simplistic legal argument and avoid all the ethical, logical, and moral problems your position faces then I'm fine with that. Your call, and you're welcome to concede the ethical, logical, moral, and philosophical to rely only on the current legal if you wish. Say when...

Not conceding anything. Roe v Wade is the law of the land. You happen to disagree, probably because you're a sexist pig or you have an overdeveloped sense of self-righteousness. Your call.

I didn't ignore your question

You just didn't like the answer, so you keep repeating it, incorrectly thinking my reply will change

I told you twice your interpretation was wrong, and yet you ask again

Laws don't govern ethics and morality
They establish punishments for things deemed criminal

I'm not an "abortionist"

I don't worry about "explaining to God" any more than most here would worry about making Allah happy. If I did, that's not anyone's business either

I just believe in people minding their own business.
And yes, I vote

Show (Copy and paste) the exact part of the Constitution that "grants" any rights to a fetus, or even mentions one at all.

Otherwise you're just parroting the same lines over and over because you have no logical reason why you think it's any of your business

As always, you're missing - intentionally - the point. The baby is, biologically and rationally, a "person". Read the Constitution and applicable laws for the applicability to "persons" or "people" and try again.

You continue to use the word "fetus" to place the distinct, individual human being into a separate category. That is biologically and logically invalid, for exactly those (biological and logical) reasons.

Snyper the point is that society can and does impose rules/laws on the people in that society. Those rules/laws do take the shared ethics/morality of society into account.

Basically I'm saying your argument of "you don't get to impose your morality or ethics on others" is pretty weak. Because within the limits of the Constitution the majority seems to do a pretty effective job of pushing their morality/ethics on others who don't necessarily agree.

Technically, the Constitution does not bend to the whims of the majority. Otherwise, you're correct in that laws do effectively enforce morality and ethics on the population. There's not "mind your own business" there at all.

That's why I said within the limits of the Constitution.
It might not of been as clearly stated as it could of been.

If I can see the hole in an argument it's usually pretty obvious.

You guys make it so complicated. I am not a very religious man, I approach this from a non-theological position. I oppose murdering children. It really is that simple. The ogres that wish to define what a "child" is so that they can justify such actions are disgusting.

Kenny, it looks like I'm not on Ignore anymore. Do you know the answer to my riddle? Bobby says he does. Why don't you two PM each other and post up the answer?

Still haven't had time to take photos of my Caprivi. I have photos of my 16 gauge Piotti King I, though, so I'll post a couple. Keep in mind the price of this gun new exceeds that of all the guns you've posted thus far. Just sayin..

Here's the left lockplate, hand engraved 100% by Granetti with German CC:



Here's a cased Piotti Westlake. You can look up the price of this gun if you so choose. Just a hint, it's at least double the price of the most expensive gun you've shown. No thing, really: