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I forget which manufacturer, maybe Ruger for their Mk series .22’s or Kahr, advises in their manual to always use the slide release lever to drop the slide on a fresh magazine, never slingshot as the slide release method always results in more positive chambering of the round.
The manual that came with my K9 advised to use the slide release lever. I have been able to induce a couple of failures to go completely into battery with questionable reloads by trying the slingshot method with that gun. Rap on the back of the slide drove the round to battery - but why set yourself up for that? Yeah - as someone mentioned, that lever is a booger. I have developed a habit of using both thumbs on the K9 slide release...left thumb over the right. Don't even think about it anymore. I don't remember what Ruger says about the MK release, but I have noticed that the slide stop (not the slide notch) tends to wear some. So on that gun, I tend to slingshot it - but not always (it's a cheap part, after all). Everything else (1911, HP, Buckmark) gets my right thumb on the release lever. Haven't noticed any wear from it on those. I'm with JOG on the "fine motor skills" thing. Ain't nothin' to it if the gun fits your hand.
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One long winded run-on sentence. The instructors are "cooler" if their ball cab is dirty and they have a big wad of chew in.
I never really paid attention to that until about three years ago. Why in the fugk anybody thinks spitting into a trash can every four minutes adds to their credibility, is beyond me. Travis
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As long as it didn't violate some principle of safety, I don't get wound up too much how it is done. Sling shot, hand over, slide stop, no biggie.
The one that did use to make me cramp a little is when shooters would COUNT on being able to make the slide jump forward and chamber a round by slamming a fresh magazine into the pistol hard enough to bump the slide forward. It works all greasy when it works ok, but those same shooters tended to look like a center fielder who just missed an easy pop fly when the slide stayed locked to the rear.
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... on being able to make the slide jump forward and chamber a round by slamming a fresh magazine into the pistol hard enough to bump the slide forward. That particular maneuver is best left to us experts!
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Using the slide release is no more of a "fine motor skill" than pressing the trigger, the magazine release or using the sights.
In order of speed-
1) Slide release with strong side thumb.
2) Slide release with weak thumb.
3) Racking the slide.
Using the slide release with the strong thumb is only marginally (.10- 15 second) faster than using the weak thumb, but is more prone to pre-release of the slide.
Using the slide release with the weak thumb is very fast, extremely consistent, and repeatable in daylight, at night, and under stress.
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As long as it didn't violate some principle of safety, I don't get wound up too much how it is done. Sling shot, hand over, slide stop, no biggie.
The one that did use to make me cramp a little is when shooters would COUNT on being able to make the slide jump forward and chamber a round by slamming a fresh magazine into the pistol hard enough to bump the slide forward. It works all greasy when it works ok, but those same shooters tended to look like a center fielder who just missed an easy pop fly when the slide stayed locked to the rear.
I count on it. Dave
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RJM Slide release button-use will likely stop those 1st shot failures. It did on my Taurus Millenium PT111 G2 9mm.
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...Typically, fine motor skills like manipulating the SLIDE STOP with your thumb are lost during stress. …..so I've been taught……don't know if I believe it or not……here's an interesting out-take from Bob Whaley about "7 myths of gun training." 6. HEART RATE DETERMINES YOUR ABILITY TO PERFORM PHYSICAL ACTIONS Ok, here’s an admission. Nothing I’ve stated so far is my original idea. I have read comments and counter comments to virtually all the myths presented here and compared the credentials of the commenters. Heck, bouncing the sponge ball (come on, it was just a sponge ball) off the granddaughter’s head wasn’t even my idea! So when this myth came up years ago, I was curious if it had validity. I talked to doctors and a variety of trainers who both did and did not agree with the concept. The trainers were split just about 50/50 for and against the concept. The doctors, who included sports medicine specialists and cardiologists, all said the concept was without merit. I deferred to the docs, and this myth has pretty much been de-bunked over time. The docs all indicated the same thing. If your heart beats too slow or too fast, it eventually stops working. Not good! That’s the only effect your heart has on performance. As long as your heart beats within a range that doesn’t adversely affect your health—in other words you die—you can pretty much do whatever you have trained to do. Pretty simple actually. - See more at: http://www.gundigest.com/concealed-...dgun-training-myths#sthash.zLLfyWCx.dpuf
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...Typically, fine motor skills like manipulating the SLIDE STOP with your thumb are lost during stress. …..so I've been taught……don't know if I believe it or not……here's an interesting out-take from Bob Whaley about "7 myths of gun training." 6. HEART RATE DETERMINES YOUR ABILITY TO PERFORM PHYSICAL ACTIONS Ok, here’s an admission. Nothing I’ve stated so far is my original idea. I have read comments and counter comments to virtually all the myths presented here and compared the credentials of the commenters. Heck, bouncing the sponge ball (come on, it was just a sponge ball) off the granddaughter’s head wasn’t even my idea! So when this myth came up years ago, I was curious if it had validity. I talked to doctors and a variety of trainers who both did and did not agree with the concept. The trainers were split just about 50/50 for and against the concept. The doctors, who included sports medicine specialists and cardiologists, all said the concept was without merit. I deferred to the docs, and this myth has pretty much been de-bunked over time. The docs all indicated the same thing. If your heart beats too slow or too fast, it eventually stops working. Not good! That’s the only effect your heart has on performance. As long as your heart beats within a range that doesn’t adversely affect your health—in other words you die—you can pretty much do whatever you have trained to do. Pretty simple actually. - See more at: http://www.gundigest.com/concealed-...dgun-training-myths#sthash.zLLfyWCx.dpuf I supppose the fine motor skills thing may be a problem for some people. I haven't been in a gunfight, so I couldn't say. Have trained a little under stress - but probably not comparable. What I do know is that other things I have done that require fine motor skills have not failed me under stress. In fact - I have been amazed at just how well I performed these actions under threat of death or injury. I am convinced that it all comes down to practice.
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Proper Practice Prevails. Visualization + repetition is a great facilitator in stress inoculation.
I have to agree w/ MS, instructor's hat frequently becomes an asshat and he will often have a snoose bottle in his BDU pocket.
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Using the slide release with the weak thumb is very fast, extremely consistent, and repeatable in daylight, at night, and under stress.
^^^^This, assuming of course, that one is right handed & the slide stop release is on the left side of the gun. Also, as the weak side thumb releases the slide, it's a natural progression to simultaneously be re-assuming the 2 handed shooting grip. Not really much to go wrong unless you are a total clutz.......... MM
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One long winded run-on sentence. The instructors are "cooler" if their ball cab is dirty and they have a big wad of chew in.
I never really paid attention to that until about three years ago. Why in the fugk anybody thinks spitting into a trash can every four minutes adds to their credibility, is beyond me. Travis Yup, Have an old work compadre who is a former scout sniper instructor. Excellent marksman, and very knowledgeable, but his teaching style drove me nuts.
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As long as it didn't violate some principle of safety, I don't get wound up too much how it is done. Sling shot, hand over, slide stop, no biggie.
The one that did use to make me cramp a little is when shooters would COUNT on being able to make the slide jump forward and chamber a round by slamming a fresh magazine into the pistol hard enough to bump the slide forward. It works all greasy when it works ok, but those same shooters tended to look like a center fielder who just missed an easy pop fly when the slide stayed locked to the rear.
I count on it. Dave Boo.
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Why in the fugk anybody thinks spitting into a trash can every four minutes adds to their credibility, is beyond me.Travis Yup, Have an old work compadre who is a former scout sniper instructor. Excellent marksman, and very knowledgeable, but his teaching style drove me nuts. What? he didn't have a trash can?
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