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I purchased a NIB stainless short action 1999, that the dealer had purchased about 2-3 years ago, I like the action with one exception, it seems the timing is off as there is a significant cock on close. I realize your action is a cock on open as most bolt actions have been since Paul brought out the 98. When I close the bolt the cocking piece moves back about 1/8\", that is what I mean by cock on close. Since the bolt is being cocked it takes a significant force to close the bolt. When this happens with a Rem 700 we say the action needs to be timed.
I have a number of pre-64 70\'s, a FNH model 70, and about a half dozen 98\'s a mixture of commercial and military and none of these close as hard as the 1999 I just bought. I have not installed a barrel on the 1999 nor done anything else to the action other than cycle it.
I asked the same of MRC through their website and they said "Yes sir. It is designed to cock on the close and with a 24 lb spring that is why the cock on close is harder."
My question: Do your actions cock on open as much as mine does?
Thanks wade
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I have one long action M1999, and one short action. Both "cock on open". After firing, the rear of the firing pin is slightly recessed in the bolt shroud. After the bolt is opened, the rear of the firing pin protrudes from the bolt shroud not quite 1/8". When the bolt is pushed forward and cammed down the rear of the firing pin is extended another 1/32" or so. I am assuming the last bit of movement is the bottom of the firing pin cocking piece firmly engaging the top of the trigger sear. I also get the same 'final movement' (approx 1/32") with a Winchester M70 and two Rem 700's. All five rifles take a similar level of effort to close the bolt. I would not call it "significant".
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I would agree with you that my M70's and 98 do not take significant force to close the action it takes far more force to close the 1999. 1/32" movement of the cocking piece is normal for my other actions, the 1/8" of movement on the 1999 seems excessive.
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If you put the safety in the middle position and pull the trigger, does the sear stay all the way back? I no longer have any 1999's in the shop so I can't measure them but yours sounds to be a little off. Whether this is an error in sear location, sear angle, or cocking piece dimensions, I can't say. GD
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Pull the bolt and look at the cam timing, it should tell all. My 1999 is cock on open.
I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
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