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It would be interesting to know if he had a gut full of cancer or some other such malady. That would make some things more understandable
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It is a good time to ask ourselves what we would do in the lawmens place. If it were our job to arrest the perps and we had been warned he bragged about dying rather than being in a cell. Then he separated himself from the other perps with his hands in the air, then he lowered his hands and reached for his waist. Would it depend on how fast of a shot you feel like you are, would you wait until you saw the flash from his gun or what?
Wait and shoot the gun out of his hand like Wyatt Earp or just kill him like Marshall Dillion.
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You know, it would be very interesting to see the videos from the cars and possibly the personnel videos from the people on the site of the shooting. I don't for a minute believe that the only video record the Feds have was shot from a helicopter.
Why haven't they released any videos from the actual shooting site?
It wasn't a gunfight, it was a bushwhacking.
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You know, it would be very interesting to see the videos from the cars and possibly the personnel videos from the people on the site of the shooting. I don't for a minute believe that the only video record the Feds have was shot from a helicopter.
Why haven't they released any videos from the actual shooting site?
It wasn't a gunfight, it was a bushwhacking. Other than some early reports that said "shootout" no one has ever claimed there was a "gunfight", or that Finicum actually pulled a gun. If you look at the video you'll see many of the vehicles weren't official "LEO" vehicles and probably didn't have dash cams installed. Even if they had, most were pointed away from the side of the road where the action took place. There wasn't a helicopter either. It was filmed from an FBI airplane
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They might not have been "patrol cars" but they were FBI cars and it appeared to me that this was a pretty well planned operation..... You don't think that these professionals had the means to document what they were doing? If they didn't it was because they didn't want any damning evidence of what they were up to.
Helicopter/airplane.... mox nix. I would bet cash money there are tapes of what happened from the shooting site.
The fact that they are not releasing them makes me want to put on my tinfoil helmet.
As far as I can see this is another Ruby Ridge.
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They might not have been "patrol cars" but they were FBI cars and it appeared to me that this was a pretty well planned operation..... You don't think that these professionals had the means to document what they were doing? If they didn't it was because they didn't want any damning evidence of what they were up to.
Helicopter/airplane.... mox nix. I would bet cash money there are tapes of what happened from the shooting site.
The fact that they are not releasing them makes me want to put on my tinfoil helmet.
As far as I can see this is another Ruby Ridge. There were no cars at all. The roadblock was 3 pickup trucks, none of which were in a position to record with a dash cam. The FBI doesn't do "traffic stops" that often so it's not logical to think they would have dash cams in their cars. The OSP may have them in their patrol cars, but there were none at the scene. This isn't even remotely similar to Ruby Ridge, where totally innocent people were killed. Finicum instigated everything that happened to him through his own actions alone. There may be more tapes released later, but they will still show he ran 2 roadblocks and then jumped out of his truck, acting erratically instead of simply remaining still. ![[Linked Image]](http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/LaVoy-Finicum-Shooting-Video.jpg)
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There are causes worth fighting and dying for. This wasn't one of them.
If it were an ambush there would have been no video, no survivors, no witnesses. There were 3 other men in the truck that were arrested and were 1st hand witnesses. They haven't disputed the FBI's version.
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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We're at the tip of the iceberg imo
For all I know this is Finicum guy may have just decided to do suicide by cop
But I find it hard to trust a gov't that takes every 3rd day of your & mine labors as their own & is not only dead flat broke but in debt doing so
Also makes it difficult to trust them when they pass laws for us but exempt themselves
And even when they are subject to the same laws they are treated vastly different than the citizens they are purported to serve when found in violation of those laws
They add insult to the injury of our taxation by rubbing it in our faces with many of the outrageous & ridiculous applications of our tax dollars
They go on 1st class trips all at taxpayer expenses
They may not have been in the wrong in this instance but please spare me that those in the US gov't are working for the good of the people of the USA
I may never be a Mensa candidate but this ole country boy has enough sense to know when we're being pizzed upon only to be told it's raining
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I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Interesting questions about the details of the shooting at the roadblock. Armed confrontations with an emplaced Federal LE force executing a pre-planned operation is, almost always, likely to result in the death of the resistor(s). Based on the silent airborne video perspective, LE acted justifiably in the shooting. However, don't see Finicum's actions as SBC.
The important questions really arise from the pre-filmed video Finicum left, explaining his interpretation of the US Constitution and the Founders' intent with respect to Federal Government power and land ownership. One would be hard pressed to disagree with anything he said and I believe that most strict constructionists would agree with most of his points.
We seem to forget that the Revolutionary War was inspired by the abrogation of individual unelienable rights. Freedom is an individual right in our Nation's construct.
It's obvious that Finicum's interpretation of individual freedom and rights, while consistent with the Founders', is different than a number of posters on this Forum. We are FREE to disagree, but inpugning the man's motives, the sincerity of his beliefs, and whether he bought new chaps for a video, are really irrelevancies and beneath the dignity of most members on this Forum.
Let's not forget that only 3% of Colonists were in the field during the War of Independence, with roughly twice that number as active supporters. These patriots were viewed as radicals by the majority of the population then, especially the majority Tories in their midst.
By the standard many posters seem to apply here, the Founders' would be viewed as radical right-wing nut jobs. Fortunately for us, they understood the basis for their beliefs, were committed to them, (see the Declaration of Independence) and persisted for long years to achieve freedom.
We might draw a distinction between constitutionally accountable local LE - county sheriffs, some PDs - serving the interests of the People, and the politically led Feds. Just my 2 cents.
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Interesting questions about the details of the shooting at the roadblock. Armed confrontations with an emplaced Federal LE force executing a pre-planned operation is, almost always, likely to result in the death of the resistor(s). Based on the silent airborne video perspective, LE acted justifiably in the shooting. However, don't see Finicum's actions as SBC.
The important questions really arise from the pre-filmed video Finicum left, explaining his interpretation of the US Constitution and the Founders' intent with respect to Federal Government power and land ownership. One would be hard pressed to disagree with anything he said and I believe that most strict constructionists would agree with most of his points.
We seem to forget that the Revolutionary War was inspired by the abrogation of individual unelienable rights. Freedom is an individual right in our Nation's construct.
It's obvious that Finicum's interpretation of individual freedom and rights, while consistent with the Founders', is different than a number of posters on this Forum. We are FREE to disagree, but inpugning the man's motives, the sincerity of his beliefs, and whether he bought new chaps for a video, are really irrelevancies and beneath the dignity of most members on this Forum.
Let's not forget that only 3% of Colonists were in the field during the War of Independence, with roughly twice that number as active supporters. These patriots were viewed as radicals by the majority of the population then, especially the majority Tories in their midst.
By the standard many posters seem to apply here, the Founders' would be viewed as radical right-wing nut jobs. Fortunately for us, they understood the basis for their beliefs, were committed to them, (see the Declaration of Independence) and persisted for long years to achieve freedom.
We might draw a distinction between constitutionally accountable local LE - county sheriffs, some PDs - serving the interests of the People, and the politically led Feds. Just my 2 cents. Even insinuating this bunch is in ANY WAY comparable to the Founders is ludicrous to the extreme.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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It was that. Interesting the feds couldn't be bothered in Ferguson but let a few ranchers in a piddly little place in Oregon minding their own business becomes a federal case. Sherrif was ex-BLM as well. I think the cards were stacked against them. Interesting terminology for an armed takeover by people not from that area in Oregon. The ranchers that WERE wronged in Oregon weren't involved in this bunch and didn't want them there.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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It's very simply another chapter in an ongoing scenario.
There's right and wrong on both sides of the issues. Yes, there are many issues.
Mistakes have been made by both sides of these issues. When pressed, humans make mistakes.
Stay tuned for more...
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We're gonna need alot more folks with the balls to stand up to the gov't for what they KNOW are blatant and gross constitutional violations if this Country is ever to be saved from the socialists. Clearly this is not the place to find them.
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The enemy is far greater than just the socialists.
The root problem is that govt isn't the "people" anymore. It has a life of it's own, and feeds on "the people".
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The enemy is far greater than just the socialists.
The root problem is that govt isn't the "people" anymore. It has a life of it's own, and feeds on "the people". You're preaching to a member of the choir here bbar.
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Interesting questions about the details of the shooting at the roadblock. Armed confrontations with an emplaced Federal LE force executing a pre-planned operation is, almost always, likely to result in the death of the resistor(s). Based on the silent airborne video perspective, LE acted justifiably in the shooting. However, don't see Finicum's actions as SBC.
The important questions really arise from the pre-filmed video Finicum left, explaining his interpretation of the US Constitution and the Founders' intent with respect to Federal Government power and land ownership. One would be hard pressed to disagree with anything he said and I believe that most strict constructionists would agree with most of his points.
We seem to forget that the Revolutionary War was inspired by the abrogation of individual unelienable rights. Freedom is an individual right in our Nation's construct.
It's obvious that Finicum's interpretation of individual freedom and rights, while consistent with the Founders', is different than a number of posters on this Forum. We are FREE to disagree, but inpugning the man's motives, the sincerity of his beliefs, and whether he bought new chaps for a video, are really irrelevancies and beneath the dignity of most members on this Forum.
Let's not forget that only 3% of Colonists were in the field during the War of Independence, with roughly twice that number as active supporters. These patriots were viewed as radicals by the majority of the population then, especially the majority Tories in their midst.
By the standard many posters seem to apply here, the Founders' would be viewed as radical right-wing nut jobs. Fortunately for us, they understood the basis for their beliefs, were committed to them, (see the Declaration of Independence) and persisted for long years to achieve freedom.
We might draw a distinction between constitutionally accountable local LE - county sheriffs, some PDs - serving the interests of the People, and the politically led Feds. Just my 2 cents. Even insinuating this bunch is in ANY WAY comparable to the Founders is ludicrous to the extreme. We know...you're a Tory!
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What I think is the best general piece I've seen written on the criminal Bundy's: http://www.hcn.org/articles/im-not-so-different-from-the-bundys-heres-what-id-like-to-say-to-them"Like the Bundy brothers now illegally occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Oregon, I'm a lifelong rural Westerner, and I believe that if I were to talk with them, we'd most likely find we have a lot in common.
There's the way our lives were shaped by the land, for instance. I was born in Nevada, and I grew up and now live in southwestern Idaho. Though my family worked as carpenters, we lived on small farms where we raised cows and grew hay for the winter. Like the Bundys and many of their allies, I come from hard working, blue-collar folks.
From them I learned to love the land, especially the Northwestern high desert. I've hunted the uplands of eastern Oregon from Juntura to Rome, and from Leslie Gulch to the Imnaha. Much of that country is open range where cattle graze. Thanks to ranchers, I've watered my bird dogs at troughs where ranchers had enhanced a spring, benefitting both cattle and wildlife.
I imagine that if the Bundys and I sat down over coffee, we'd start trading stories about our early years. Pretty quickly, though, our differences would emerge. They'd insist that taking over a wildlife refuge is speaking for "the people" – Westerners frustrated by the federal government. I couldn't let that stand.
Want to read more of our coverage of the standoff and what led to it? Find it here.
I'd respond by saying: That wildlife refuge you're occupying belongs to me and to 320 million other Americans. You are trespassing, taking advantage of the hospitality and tolerance of the rest of the American people. You are abusing the rights you so readily invoke by occupying the refuge indefinitely. I would remind you that you are free to stay a maximum of 14 days, because that is the camping limit in most places, and it was put in place so that everyone can share the land.
If they let me continue, I'd suggest they go home and read Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau and perhaps brush up on their history about Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. Parks didn't wave guns around and threaten to kill people on the bus.
Then I'd say: "You are carrying firearms and threatening to commit violence if you don't get your way. You say you want this to be a peaceful protest, but in the same breath you warn that you will fight and die for your cause. You bluster, trying to provoke a response, all the while using the media to protect you and further your cause.
"You are abusing your rights as an American. There are legal ways to change systems if you feel that they aren't working. I have heard nothing from you about your responsibilities, only demands about what you want, though ultimately, what you want is to control a resource that belongs to me and to every other American. Public lands are our birthright, and you have no right to commandeer them for your own purposes.
"Frankly, I don't want my land – which includes all the federal land in the West – turned over to people who behave like you. I want to be free to hunt, fish, hike, ride my horse, my mountain bike or all-terrain vehicle, to picnic, camp, and to bird watch on the nation's vast tracts of federal ground, and I don't want to have to ask for your permission to do so.
"Your protest is nothing more than an elaborate tantrum conducted with firearms. If you actually won claim to any public lands, I think you'd intimidate and bully others the way you and your followers did in Nevada, and the way you are doing now. Furthermore, your family owes me and 320 million of my fellow Americans more than a million dollars in back grazing fees for using public land without paying your fair share.
"When I cut firewood on nearby Forest Service land, I purchase my 10-cord, personal use permit. I pay my camping fees. I buy my hunting license. I pay to park and use ramps on wild rivers where I kayak. I pay fees because they are used to improve recreation opportunities for everyone.
So I want you to go home and start paying me and your fellow citizens what you owe us. That's what good citizens and neighbors do. Thanks for the conversation."Chris Dempsey is a contributor to Writers on the Range, the opinion service of High Country News. He lives in Idaho.
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A suicidal idiot, born about 200+ yrs too late to have any impact.
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We're gonna need alot more folks with the balls to stand up to the gov't for what they KNOW are blatant and gross constitutional violations if this Country is ever to be saved from the socialists. Clearly this is not the place to find them. Posted from Oregon?
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