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Agreed, and let's hope our national conscience gets straightened out before that happens. But remember that the "mother" of feminism was Betty Friedan, and she was a card-carrying Communist and an avowed disciple of Lenin... communists believe in the concept of breaking eggs to make omelets, remember.
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There is plenty that women can do in the armed forces.
I personally see no problem with it and consider it only fair, especially considering all the demands they make on other issues.
And I personally feel everyone should serve a minimum time out of high school. Not sure what that frame should be, 1-2 years IMHO.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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There is plenty that women can do in the armed forces.
I personally see no problem with it and consider it only fair, especially considering all the demands they make on other issues.
And I personally feel everyone should serve a minimum time out of high school. Not sure what that frame should be, 1-2 years IMHO. Agreed. Two years would be a good number.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Women served in SMERSH, as snipers, in "death battalions",..... I see no reason to prevent them from fighting. Anyone wanting to run for office of US President should have military service on their resume. And anyone that posts about how things should be done in America should be an American citizen.....so STFU..... And that's not to say I disagree with you on the subject......I just get tired of listening to someone from some European chit-hole with half the freedoms we have telling us how we should do things....
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Only a nation which considers it's subjects expendable drafts anyone...
ESPECIALLY for undeclared "wars". I don't agree. Compulsory military service is a good idea for a variety of reasons. Israel and Switzerland are two nations that exemplify what a compulsory national service requirement can do for a people. Two socialist nations doing what socialist nations do. I am sure Bernie would agree with you. A free nation cannot have conscription. A free nation faced with an existential threat from the outside won't have a problem finding volunteers to fight. The problem is conscription allows the ruling class to enter into wars that make a mockery of the idea of "service" shedding our blood on their foolish errands. This was a concern of those who rebelled against the crown.
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There is plenty that women can do in the armed forces.
I personally see no problem with it and consider it only fair, especially considering all the demands they make on other issues.
And I personally feel everyone should serve a minimum time out of high school. Not sure what that frame should be, 1-2 years IMHO. Agreed. Two years would be a good number. That would be good for the kids and good for the country. How to pay for it? France - who we lambast regularly- had compulsory service up until a short time ago. Dumped due to the cost.
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[quote=DocRocket] I am sure Bernie would agree with you.
A free nation cannot have conscription.
A free nation faced with an existential threat from the outside won't have a problem finding volunteers to fight. Actually he is against the draft and when faced with an existential threat (WWII), there weren't enough volunteers.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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There is plenty that women can do in the armed forces.
I personally see no problem with it and consider it only fair, especially considering all the demands they make on other issues.
And I personally feel everyone should serve a minimum time out of high school. Not sure what that frame should be, 1-2 years IMHO. Agreed. Two years would be a good number. That would be good for the kids and good for the country. How to pay for it? France - who we lambast regularly- had compulsory service up until a short time ago. Dumped due to the cost. Cut welfare. We pay for education; this is just an extension of that. It teaches discipline, duty, service, honor, potentially a transferable skill, and some degree of maturity. The costs of not doing it are rather evident in our society today. Hell, the decreases in crime from certain segments of the population between the ages of 18-20/21 would be a nice offset to the costs associated.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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SMERSH:Smiert Spionam. "Death to Spies". Executioners. Death Battalions-Executioners. I have been in intense and extended ground combat. NO WOMEN!!!!!!!! There is absolutely NOTHING on earth that approaches ground combat for deprivation, savagery and hostility. Hard enough to maintain a semblance of control over the hard assed men who are in it for the tour. Add in females and it would truly fall apart. anyone who thinks different has NO idea of what it means.
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Well said, Jim. Thanks for chiming in.
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SMERSH:Smiert Spionam. "Death to Spies". Executioners. Death Battalions-Executioners. I have been in intense and extended ground combat. NO WOMEN!!!!!!!! There is absolutely NOTHING on earth that approaches ground combat for deprivation, savagery and hostility. Hard enough to maintain a semblance of control over the hard assed men who are in it for the tour. Add in females and it would truly fall apart. anyone who thinks different has NO idea of what it means. If you think differently, realize Jim is an authority.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
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SMERSH:Smiert Spionam. "Death to Spies". Executioners. Death Battalions-Executioners. I have been in intense and extended ground combat. NO WOMEN!!!!!!!! There is absolutely NOTHING on earth that approaches ground combat for deprivation, savagery and hostility. Hard enough to maintain a semblance of control over the hard assed men who are in it for the tour. Add in females and it would truly fall apart. anyone who thinks different has NO idea of what it means. Tell that to the politicians, bureaucrats and Flag/General officers who sacrificed combat readiness on the Altar of Political correctness, votes and for the military leaders, their retirements. Women should go back to their own branch of service like the WAVES, WACS, etc.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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SMERSH:Smiert Spionam. "Death to Spies". Executioners. Death Battalions-Executioners. I have been in intense and extended ground combat. NO WOMEN!!!!!!!! There is absolutely NOTHING on earth that approaches ground combat for deprivation, savagery and hostility. Hard enough to maintain a semblance of control over the hard assed men who are in it for the tour. Add in females and it would truly fall apart. anyone who thinks different has NO idea of what it means. Spot on! You are preaching to the choir here
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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SMERSH:Smiert Spionam. "Death to Spies". Executioners. Death Battalions-Executioners. I have been in intense and extended ground combat. NO WOMEN!!!!!!!! There is absolutely NOTHING on earth that approaches ground combat for deprivation, savagery and hostility. Hard enough to maintain a semblance of control over the hard assed men who are in it for the tour. Add in females and it would truly fall apart. anyone who thinks different has NO idea of what it means. amen Jim... the politicians that push this crap haven't seen a fraction of the real world that you have, when it comes to being shot at... and then the liberal left wants to make them officers no less.. imagine being under fire, and your commanding officer is sitting behind a tree crying her heart out and pissing her little pink panties...what are the 200 or so folks under her command going to do? have a man take control and leave her and the rest of the little pretty pink panty combat warriors behind with the Gay and Transgender Crowd and go take care of business... with a reduced company size
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SMERSH:Smiert Spionam. "Death to Spies". Executioners. Death Battalions-Executioners. I have been in intense and extended ground combat. NO WOMEN!!!!!!!! There is absolutely NOTHING on earth that approaches ground combat for deprivation, savagery and hostility. Hard enough to maintain a semblance of control over the hard assed men who are in it for the tour. Add in females and it would truly fall apart. anyone who thinks different has NO idea of what it means. Tell that to the politicians, bureaucrats and Flag/General officers who sacrificed combat readiness on the Altar of Political correctness, votes and for the military leaders, their retirements. Women should go back to their own branch of service like the WAVES, WACS, etc. or USO is more like it...
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You keep glossing over meeting requirements. EVERYBODY has to meet them. Where do you get the idea that some people in the military are retained without meeting the physical requirements for combat? The VAST majority of military worldwide are male, in spite of being outnumbered by females. Why is that? Combat MOS's have higher requirements above basic training. If they don't meet ALL the requirements they won't be in combat. Unwad your panties and keep in mind this is an OPINION piece based on some off-hand remarks by a couple of politicians with no chance in Hell of winning anything.
One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
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Combat MOS's have higher requirements above basic training. If they don't meet ALL the requirements they won't be in combat.
Don't know what combat or military experience you have, but as far as Combat (or do you mean "Direct Combat"?) MOS' are concerned, the minute they started letting them in, the standards began to get lowered. I can tell you without reservation, that was the case in the Navy and more specifically, Naval Aviation. Further, it is public knowledge the books were cooked for those female Rangerettes that just passed the course.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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The most disappointing moment of Saturday night’s debate came when Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, and Marco Rubio each embraced the idea that women should register with the selective service, making it possible for America to draft women into ground combat. That's because none of them have military experience & are unable to accurately comprehend the absolute brutality & reality of actual combat...
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The most disappointing moment of Saturday night’s debate came when Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, and Marco Rubio each embraced the idea that women should register with the selective service, making it possible for America to draft women into ground combat. That's because none of them have military experience & are unable to accurately comprehend the absolute brutality & reality of actual combat... Yeah, but how about the literally hundreds of senior military officers with combat experience across ALL services who knew this to be the case, yet embraced the lifting of Title Ten restrictions for women? It's called complete lack of integrity and principle.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Requirements??? How's about the reality?? My Battalion spent 6 MONTHS in the field. A hot meal on re-supplu days (three day re-supply period). NO showers, clean jungles every six to nine days. I had to wear my same blood and lung fluid soaked jungles for three days. Most unpleasant. Vermin find their home on you. You learn quickly that the rear area commandos(remfs) steal all the good stuff out of the ration SP packs LONG before they get to you. THEN there is combat. Crawl, crawl, duck, shoot, kill, drag in your dead and wounded, listen to them trying hard not to cry and give away the position, fight for an LZ so they can be evac'd. Strip the enemy dead of anything useful, dig up enemy graves to find cached weapons. Just the kind of party some would send their daughters to. Get real.
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