Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Elk Hunting 125 gr Partitions in a 264 for elk?

He's probably been rolling over in his grave for some time now!

D. I feel Elmer was an honest observer .. But I also feel late in life his dislike of JOC may have clouded his judgement.. But also, he was a different hunter than most we find today.. Meat was a big item to him.. More so than most of the hunters we have today.. I think he did stereotype himself into a corner, but he also knew what worked best for him.. I guess I kind of feel like he did in his advanced years.. Have never fired a TSX or any of those except the 36 gr. .22.. I have so many bullets that I know work and have worked, I doubt if I change..

I sorta resemble that profile, myself...

The older you get, the less adventuresome you become, sticking to basics, what works and has worked for you over time.

From what I've read, Elmer cut his teeth on Sharps, older BP guns and such. Seems his later thinking still had that influence.

He did consider the Wby. revolution and dabbled with newer stuff. But, his heart was where it was, not too unlike some of us.

Back to 180 NPT/120 TTSX elk killers. Do you think the remaining Partition core would weigh 120 gr.? Not sure, but the 120 gr. TTSX would. Just a thought.

I know, the NPT would have expended shrapnel and energy along the way. But the TTSX at much faster speed would also have disrupted a bunch of tissue along the way. I don't see a lot of difference at the skinning shed.

For hyper velocity rounds, I like monometals, for slower rounds, softer bullets.

DF

First elk I ever shot took a single 120 to the heart from a 25-06, dropped DRT. No reason a 120-130 from a 264 wouldn't do just as well.

120 grains is 66% of 180 about what a partition is designed to retain.

Dirtfarmer, I think it would wt. about 120 gr.. Some where in old bullet bx.s I have bullets I have found while skinning or processing my game.. I know some where there is a part. or two, if I can find them in the reloading room, I will let you know.. Never found many part. in my game though..

So, if the expended mass of the 180 NPT leaving a 120 gr core is plotted against the extra velocity of the 120 TTSX, also leaving a 120 gr, ( core), seems to me the terminal effect could be pretty close.

What you think?

DF

I think it would be more than worth the while to experiment with monolithic bullets, if you're starting out with a relatively light bullet as they consistently retain weight better than most anything else. As someone mentioned previously the cost is insignificant compared to what an elk hunt costs.

Yeah, bullet cost is the last thing on my mind. I don't shoot thousands of rounds each year, but enough to establish the load and kill critters.

I'm not sure I'd take my 26 Nosler elk hunting, just trying to come up with reasons why not. Not having much luck.

The shrapnel effect of the .30 cal 180 NPT at 3,150 fps may be countered by the tissue destruction of a 120 TTSX traveling 300 fps faster. What I've seen at the skinning shed leaves me to believe there may not be that much difference in terminal performance.

Guess I'm old fashioned to a point, favoring heavier bullets for heavier game. But, I'm not sure that's currently a valid argument with current bullet technology.

DF

I shot a spike with 120 grain ttxs out of a 260 leabing the muzzle at 2800. The recovered bullet weighed 104 grains. It only hit a rib and ni ked the shoulder blade, the shot was about 125 yards. I wa a little disapointed.

I like softer bullets at that speed, like 123 gr Scanars in my Creed.

To me mono's come into their own, cranked fast.

DF

So IF I were to decide to go with a mono...what would the brain trust recommend: 120TTSX, 130TSX, 120ETip?

Thanks to all. Enjoying the conversation. (And I do realize that there are many other variables to address besides the bullet. But it's a long time til September. :))

I have not expressed an opinion til now as I have just been curious as to what everyone is using in the 26s'. I am on my 3rd 264 win mag. If I were to use one bullet for it, it would be the 127 LRX. I can easily reach 3300fps and it hits like the hammer of thor. I have never recovered one, it works from lopes to zebra with ease.
Bill

The 127 LRX is a good choice. They just weren't quite as accurate in my Shilen March barrel 26 as the 120 TTSX or 120 E-Tip, both of which were nearly 2" at 400 yds. The LRX was around 3-4", the 129 ABLR behind the LRX. This is a hunting rifle, not a heavy match gun.

Terminal performance on critters with mono's at warp speed is impressive. Gotta be seen to fully appreciate how destructive they can be.

But at more conventional velocities, I prefer Scenars, Partitions, Accubonds, Ballistic Tips, etc, depending on performance at the range.

Others may have different views/experiences.

DF

JB has some good stuff on TSX/TTSX with small calibers. Sometimes the small HP can get hammered in the mag, bullet acting more like a FMJ. The tip seems to prevent that from happening. Big bores, not a problem. So, with the .264 bore, I use the tipped version.

DF

The LRX is definitely not a match bullet but heed the info on the box about twist.My swede and 6.5/06 AI are both 8 and shoot it sub MOA but my 264 is a 9 with 2" about as good as it gets.

Will the 127 gr LRX work in a Creedmoor,8 twist?

I would think so,it seems way more twist than load sensitive from my experience. That thing would probably shoot bug holes in my CZ550 Swede if I ever get around to adjusting the trigger.

DF: what's the twist rate in your 264?

Bob,

If they shoot well in your rifle they'll work great. They seem to open a little easier than the TTSX's.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...rnes_127LRX_on_deer_from_6.5#Post9367417

David