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Some of the folks I rub elbows with grumble about "American" camp owners.
Mostly the game laws they successfully lobby for.

The new laws put money in the camps pocket, but restrict access, and game to locals.

Any thoughts?

They don't restrict me so I don't care too much as far as access is concerned. Guide/outfitter ideas of game management may be in conflict with mine but this has little to do with the national origin of the G/O. Most problems I have seen in areas where I hunt stem not from the guide/outfitters but from resident hunters who are not residents of the area. GD

Yes
Here in bc the G/O just were awarded almost 25% of game on leh (limited entry hunting), quite a few guiding territories are owned by foreigners who recently arrived, whether they be American or from Germany or elsewhere...it doesn't matter, local residents are pizzed off.

No access is restricted that I'm aware of, although some may try to limit access, my guess is some is going to get shot as its really got some resident hunters seething.
all the protests and attempted dialog fell on deaf ears with the ministry officials, voting for another political party isn't an option because that option wants to take residents hunting away entirely, and the present government knows that. Hunting is governed by the provinces with the exception of migratory birds.

I dont blame any business owner taking steps to improve his bottom line, but I'm afraid its at the expense of another group of people.

It's the golden rule -- he who has the gold makes the rules.

Good Afternoon Keith.
I was inspired, by what another of my NW Ontario friends, the other Keith, told me about the new slot on jacks, (northern pike).
The only thing I can think of is the draw of the large catch, and release of the trophy northerns that only "yanks", care about.
Methinks there should be a bounty on jacks under six pounds!

For Mary and I, one Jack of any size is a meal, but my fishing partner won't allow them in his boat, and he seems to know where to find the perfect sized pickerel.

You can't hunt deer or any other large game in Ontario without a guide. Where do you find a guide? By staying at a resort and spending big money on guide and resort fees. Also, in the "Border Waters", the area just north of the Minnesota border with Ontario, there is no camping. The resorts did get that one passed years ago as they felt there were too many campers staying out in the bush and the resorts felt it was taking away from their business. Even though I have a place in Ontario, pay property tax, road tax, school tax and contribute to the economy for six months out of the year I can't camp on nearby lakes.

I camp anyway.

I've come to the viewpoint that Canada has a law governing everything - no matter how small - and that really does restrict freedom. For example, you can leave your boat and motor in Canada, but not your 4 wheeler. Makes no sense.

I don't ignore all the laws, but some are just too restrictive for someone who has been going to and living in Canada for 58 years. If caught, I'll rely on the "dumb old coot" defense.

Whatever happened to that grumpy old BC'er?

You refer to Kutenay. We have greydog but he has been to charm school.

Compared to Kutenay, Don Rickles has been to charm school.

"SNAP", sounds much like old Kute.

I am surprised SNAP has not chipped in on this one.

Oh just wait, I am sure he will come around.

For goodness sake don't encourage him to come back.

Jim

I really don't know much about Canada. I have been to Winnipeg once and Toronto a couple of times but I have lived for 44 years on the shores of Lake Nipigon. So this area I know pretty well. I'm pretty much retired now but still rent a couple of cabins and I used to run a charter boat.

Years ago here's how it worked.

A couple of guys or maybe a small group would throw a tent in the trunk and tie down a canoe on top of some junk car and drive up here. They bought a few groceries, some gas and maybe some beer and went camping in the bush. They complained about the price of everything and found it hard to get any local info on where to go and catch a fish.

Some of them where smart enough to look for boat landings with the most garbage--thats where the locals fished.

Some of them fell in love with the Boreal Forest--and they dreamnd of the day when they could afford a decent tent camper and a boat and motor. They dreamnd of the day when they could afford a fly-in fishing trip or to stay at real resort and afford a guide.

A lot of these young men came back year after year--they brought their families--and most wives aren't going to put up with outhouses.

Crown Land Camping Permits put a stop to all this. Where we used to have 20 tourist outfits we now have 2. And those 2 spend a ton of money on advertising in the US to get people to come here.

The tourist buisness hereabouts is kinda like the Mafia--once you're in you can't get out. You meet some nice people and you just can't say No.

People often ask me how a hillbilly from Missiouri wound up on Lake Nipigon.

I tell them the truth. I showed up in a junk car with a canoe tied on top and a tent in the trunk and just never left.

Are you an old hippie or draft dodger? LOL

That's funny, don't matter who y'ar!

We have a draft dodger that has been here for close to fifty years. Wish he would leave. He is an idiot, but he was an idiot before he evaded the draft, and would still be one if he headed south again.

Keith, I've always wondered why Canada welcomed draft dodgers up here. If they wouldn't stand up for their own country they would never have stood up for us if it became necessary.

Jim

I served with the 1st Bn 61st Reg 5th Inf Div (Mech). Spent most of Sept of 69 in country at the Rockpile on the DMZ.

Brother Keith--I met a draft dodger in Savant Lake in the mid 80's who was a complete Idiot--might have been the same guy.

Most draft dodgers were educated--doctors, lawyers, accountants and such, Canada came out ahead on that deal.

Only thing I would change about my life--I should have immigrated 3 years earlier and skipped the all expenses paid vacation to RSVN

Well, the guy I know married his first cousin and had a few kids, and ran amuck of the law in many regards. The only bright thing he did was move to Canada. Does the word welfare tell ya anything?

Perhaps I should have titled this, "Draft Dodgers in Canada".

Anything to keep some wholesome chat going.

kkahmann, I thank you for your service!!

I always wanted to hunt deer in Ontario above the guide requirement line. Never did though. I have heard locals are quite harsh sometimes at U.S. hunters. Don't know how true it is . I also heard the herd is way down and over hunted from U.S. hunters around Kenora. The land is reasonable though.

I'd recommend go hunt in Alberta or Saskatchewan, lots of trophy deer harvested there, less population and friendlier to non-resident hunters.

378, I dont need a guide in Ontario though. If they are harsh, I just won't go. Minnesota, Upper Michigan, Wyoming, are good enough for me. I'm a bit surprised at the stories I hear though. I see Canadians every now and then, mostly on Harleys during Harley fests in Milwaukee. I have seen them as interesting.

The way the US dollar is so strong agin the canuck dollar, guides are cheap. check out abhunting.com you will not be disappointed. Trust me.

Ya know, I might do that. I am more interested in bear hunting and I dont think Ontario locals care a whole bunch about bear, do they ?? But when it comes to deer, I will go Alberta or something. Thanks.

I'm sure Ontario has bear hunting, but without guide good luck in finding them. Unless you know a hunter that can help you out.

There are some reasonable guide services in my AO.

ABHUNTING.COM is an interesting web site, thanks. BTW don't the outfitters in Canada want their fees in US dollars? Every one I have ever been to, and it has only been five, the outfitter didn't give us an option, US dollars only. Check or cash.

It makes it easier for the US hunters not to have to deal with exchange rates, and also gives the CDN outfitter the benefit of not losing on the rate.

Normally prices are quoted in Canadian dollars, but you can email all the guide/outfitters to get exact detail. Doesn't cost anything to email them.

I hunted Alberta for bear a couple of years ago when the exchange rate was close to 1:1. I was pretty excited about maybe being able to afford a moose hunt due to the current exchange rate but all the outfitter websites I have checked say USD and none have reduced their prices that I can tell.

What Canadian Province will allow a US citizen as a property owner to hunt? If any?

I know Yukon T. will or would in the past allow AK residents same price as resident fishing license.

i can tell for Yukon you need to be a resident for hunting, property has nothing to do with it. you can be resident only in one jurisdiction.

and yes we are still sharing fishing price for AK and YT people.

i ve heard people from Whitehorse even hunting in Alaska for deer when they were able to do it but now we are aliens ...

In Ontario a U.S citizen can hunt deer without a guide if he goes far enough north. I think the line is around HWY 11. Kenora Not. does not require a guide but we only get second season.

Yeah, that put a damper on a few camping trips back in the 90's, or at least kept me looking over my shoulder...