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I'm headed up this Thursday to look at some houses. Any advice on current market trends? going to be moving back this summer.
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I moved away about 4 years ago. We kept our house there for a couple of years incase things didn't work out here in paradise. When we put it on the market we accepted an offer in 4 days. The market seems stable from what I've been hearing from friends that I still have there.

Certain places out the north road have jumped in value(asking price) because of the potential gas line terminal.

Over all it's a solid market and would be worth investing in. You'll get your money back plus when it's time to sell.

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Thanks for the input. i have a few properties picked out to view. Looks like i won't have much to worry about for long term.
I was worried that the layoffs on the slope had negatively impacted the housing market.
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Where have you bean man? laugh


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I wouldn't buy a house on the Kenai. No way, no how.



I'd just move in with ironbender.



his kids are gone and he'd never notice another body floating around

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And Paul is so diminutive that it would be easy to overlook him...

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I think the whole state is going to be headed down hard and fast pretty quick. I would hold off for a year at least. I bet you would save a ton looking for a screaming deal.

There may be something that would support the Kenai economy more than the Anchorage economy, but I do not see it. And Anchorage is trending way down, way fast.


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Anchorage Pravda just posted an article about deep rig and personnel cuts at Prudhoe.

I'd certainly rent for a while until I got the feel of this thing as it could get bad soon.

Kenai seems like the place to be as we have no room in Delta....sorry!

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I agree with the last few comments. I would be renting and plan on holding off from buying for at least a year. I have a number of friends now who are trying to sell before the price drops considerably. Then they are looking to buy again in a year or so. If you look at the prices in Anchorage over the past 6 months, you will see the decline.

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Thanks for the information guys. Unfortunately i am in sort of a predicament with the purchase. I'll be retired soon and in a year i'll be at 1/3 if not less than i make now. guess i'm just great at timing... This will help with any offer i put in though.

Great info, thank you!

Any word on if they are actually going to put in the gas pipeline? last thing i read about it was a while ago and everything seemed a go at that time.

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Gas pipeline was iffy when oil prices were high, now for all intents and purposes it's dead.

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
I think the whole state is going to be headed down hard and fast pretty quick. I would hold off for a year at least. I bet you would save a ton looking for a screaming deal.

There may be something that would support the Kenai economy more than the Anchorage economy, but I do not see it. And Anchorage is trending way down, way fast.


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Read the comments at the link... there are more than several very interesting notes.



http://www.adn.com/article/20160307/job-losses-predicted-new-study-would-rival-alaskas-worst-ever

Commentary
Job losses predicted in new study would rival Alaska's worst ever
Charles Wohlforth
March 7, 2016
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A new study shows that Alaska’s economy will crash on the scale of the 1980s recession, regardless of how the Legislature handles the state’s deficit. What is being decided in Juneau is whether the calamity will be much worse.

Gunnar Knapp, director of the University of Alaska Anchorage's Institute of Social and Economic Research, downplays the severity of the coming crash if the Legislature picks the best options outlined in the report he presented last month. But the numbers speak for themselves.

PDF iconISER report presentation "Economic Effects of Alaska Fiscal Options"
The percent of Alaska’s job losses from state budget cuts, taxes and reduction of Alaska Permanent Fund dividends — and all three appear necessary — will be as much or greater than the seven percent job loss when the economy tanked between 1986 and ‘88.

"That would be what our numbers say," Knapp agreed.

And that’s the best-case scenario.

If the Legislature mishandles the situation, as it appears poised to do, judging by some legislators’ hard-line attitudes, then an economic crash could come with an impoverished long-term future.

After looking at the numbers in the report, I realized we have focused too much on the differences between the current situation and the ’80s crash, when 14 banks and other financial institutions failed and the population shrank by more than a tenth.

The differences are real. In the ’80s, excessive state spending created a bubble in the construction and real estate industries, devastating the economy when the bubble burst. This time we don’t have a bubble. That means the crash will hit slower, hurting industries other than real estate.

But a downturn of similar scale for jobs and income is unavoidable because reduced oil prices and production have stopped the flow of billions of dollars into Alaska, most of which reached our economy through government spending.

“We’ve lost billions of dollars that aren’t coming back,” Knapp told Commonwealth North on Thursday. “We have to adjust to this.”

The report, “Economic Impacts of Alaska Fiscal Options,” doesn’t consider the option of higher oil taxes, which is a gaping and inexcusable hole. But that’s not ISER’s fault. Knapp wasn’t given time or money to adequately look at all aspects of the problem.

Gov. Bill Walker's administration funded the study for $60,000. The Legislature hasn't done even that much.

When we’re done with the current crisis, we should fire legislative leaders who waited to the brink of the precipice to start asking serious questions. Decisions they make now will affect the economic life of every Alaskan, and they are making them in a rush, groping in ignorance, because they didn’t do their homework.

Knapp’s shocking conclusion is that even if the Legislature makes the best choices, closing the current $3.8 billion deficit would cost up to 30,000 jobs in direct and indirect losses. And barring unexpected good news, the real numbers could certainly be worse.

Here’s how those worse numbers add up:


The report looks only at the economic impacts of future changes to state spending and taxation. But the state has already made heavy cuts that have yet to hit the economy, including a reduction in construction spending that will bite in 2017. That billion dollars in reduced capital spending alone will cost around 9,000 jobs, using the factors in the report.

Also, the report doesn’t cover job losses in other basic industries. The oil industry lost about nine percent of its employment in 2015 and will lose more. Mineral and fish prices are down and the strong dollar could discourage overseas visitors. The U.S. Department of Defense is still considering force reductions in Anchorage. Those other industries aren’t in a free fall like oil, but they’re not in a position to pick up slack, either.

The study also doesn’t capture how job losses could compound themselves if business people lose confidence and fundamentally change course.

This is the impact GCI president and CEO Ron Duncan emphasized as he mobilized business and labor leaders to push the Legislature for a solution. Duncan said that if the Legislature doesn’t balance the budget this year — or set itself on a clear path to do so — businesses including his own will halt investment, cancel plans, lay off skilled staff and send money outside the state to pay down debt or invest elsewhere.

Knapp’s report tracks how money flows through businesses, but not how they might change their basic behavior.

“He is looking at only the portion of the economy that is driven by government. He isn’t looking at the private-sector reaction, and the private-sector reaction will be uncontrollable,” Duncan said. “We’re looking at an absolute economic cataclysm.”

That alone explains his activism with the Legislature to get action this year, Duncan said.

“We won’t have any choice but to start dismantling this company, and so will any other private sector company,” he said. “I do not want to spend the next three years dismantling what it took me 40 years to build. That thought makes me sick to my stomach. But I won’t have any choice.”

Duncan and others hope that a balanced fiscal plan, like the one proposed by Gov. Bill Walker, would get the pain over with and provide certainty in the economic outlook. Knapp recommends spreading cuts and tax increases over two years to reduce the shock, but others would prefer to pull off the Band-Aid quickly to hasten the day when growth can return.

Either way, having no plan at all is unacceptable, creating the prospect of greater pain later and the possibility of a cascading “uncontained failure,” as Duncan puts it.

That danger may be hard to believe because the recession hasn’t shown up yet. We’re in a moment like crossing a mountain snow cornice that is cracking, before the inevitable avalanche has started. Maybe some quick thinking now can keep us whole when we hit the bottom. But we are going down, one way or the other.

“Alaska’s situation today is a fundamental loss of the way we earn our way in the world,” said economist Gregg Erickson. “I don’t think there is any doubt that we are headed for the deepest recession in Alaska’s history as a state.”

Scared yet? I am. But I’m not leaving, so I’m digging deeper into Knapp’s report to learn how we can soften the fall and protect those most vulnerable. I’ll cover that in my next column.

Charles Wohlforth’s column appears three times weekly.


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http://www.adn.com/article/20160307/job-losses-predicted-new-study-would-rival-alaskas-worst-ever

Commentary
Job losses predicted in new study would rival Alaska's worst ever
Charles Wohlforth
March 7, 2016
EmailPrintText Size-A+A
A new study shows that Alaska’s economy will crash on the scale of the 1980s recession, regardless of how the Legislature handles the state’s deficit. What is being decided in Juneau is whether the calamity will be much worse.

Gunnar Knapp, director of the University of Alaska Anchorage's Institute of Social and Economic Research, downplays the severity of the coming crash if the Legislature picks the best options outlined in the report he presented last month. But the numbers speak for themselves.

PDF iconISER report presentation "Economic Effects of Alaska Fiscal Options"
The percent of Alaska’s job losses from state budget cuts, taxes and reduction of Alaska Permanent Fund dividends — and all three appear necessary — will be as much or greater than the seven percent job loss when the economy tanked between 1986 and ‘88.

"That would be what our numbers say," Knapp agreed.

And that’s the best-case scenario.

If the Legislature mishandles the situation, as it appears poised to do, judging by some legislators’ hard-line attitudes, then an economic crash could come with an impoverished long-term future.

After looking at the numbers in the report, I realized we have focused too much on the differences between the current situation and the ’80s crash, when 14 banks and other financial institutions failed and the population shrank by more than a tenth.

The differences are real. In the ’80s, excessive state spending created a bubble in the construction and real estate industries, devastating the economy when the bubble burst. This time we don’t have a bubble. That means the crash will hit slower, hurting industries other than real estate.

But a downturn of similar scale for jobs and income is unavoidable because reduced oil prices and production have stopped the flow of billions of dollars into Alaska, most of which reached our economy through government spending.

“We’ve lost billions of dollars that aren’t coming back,” Knapp told Commonwealth North on Thursday. “We have to adjust to this.”

The report, “Economic Impacts of Alaska Fiscal Options,” doesn’t consider the option of higher oil taxes, which is a gaping and inexcusable hole. But that’s not ISER’s fault. Knapp wasn’t given time or money to adequately look at all aspects of the problem.

Gov. Bill Walker's administration funded the study for $60,000. The Legislature hasn't done even that much.

When we’re done with the current crisis, we should fire legislative leaders who waited to the brink of the precipice to start asking serious questions. Decisions they make now will affect the economic life of every Alaskan, and they are making them in a rush, groping in ignorance, because they didn’t do their homework.

Knapp’s shocking conclusion is that even if the Legislature makes the best choices, closing the current $3.8 billion deficit would cost up to 30,000 jobs in direct and indirect losses. And barring unexpected good news, the real numbers could certainly be worse.

Here’s how those worse numbers add up:


The report looks only at the economic impacts of future changes to state spending and taxation. But the state has already made heavy cuts that have yet to hit the economy, including a reduction in construction spending that will bite in 2017. That billion dollars in reduced capital spending alone will cost around 9,000 jobs, using the factors in the report.

Also, the report doesn’t cover job losses in other basic industries. The oil industry lost about nine percent of its employment in 2015 and will lose more. Mineral and fish prices are down and the strong dollar could discourage overseas visitors. The U.S. Department of Defense is still considering force reductions in Anchorage. Those other industries aren’t in a free fall like oil, but they’re not in a position to pick up slack, either.

The study also doesn’t capture how job losses could compound themselves if business people lose confidence and fundamentally change course.

This is the impact GCI president and CEO Ron Duncan emphasized as he mobilized business and labor leaders to push the Legislature for a solution. Duncan said that if the Legislature doesn’t balance the budget this year — or set itself on a clear path to do so — businesses including his own will halt investment, cancel plans, lay off skilled staff and send money outside the state to pay down debt or invest elsewhere.

Knapp’s report tracks how money flows through businesses, but not how they might change their basic behavior.

“He is looking at only the portion of the economy that is driven by government. He isn’t looking at the private-sector reaction, and the private-sector reaction will be uncontrollable,” Duncan said. “We’re looking at an absolute economic cataclysm.”

That alone explains his activism with the Legislature to get action this year, Duncan said.

“We won’t have any choice but to start dismantling this company, and so will any other private sector company,” he said. “I do not want to spend the next three years dismantling what it took me 40 years to build. That thought makes me sick to my stomach. But I won’t have any choice.”

Duncan and others hope that a balanced fiscal plan, like the one proposed by Gov. Bill Walker, would get the pain over with and provide certainty in the economic outlook. Knapp recommends spreading cuts and tax increases over two years to reduce the shock, but others would prefer to pull off the Band-Aid quickly to hasten the day when growth can return.

Either way, having no plan at all is unacceptable, creating the prospect of greater pain later and the possibility of a cascading “uncontained failure,” as Duncan puts it.

That danger may be hard to believe because the recession hasn’t shown up yet. We’re in a moment like crossing a mountain snow cornice that is cracking, before the inevitable avalanche has started. Maybe some quick thinking now can keep us whole when we hit the bottom. But we are going down, one way or the other.

“Alaska’s situation today is a fundamental loss of the way we earn our way in the world,” said economist Gregg Erickson. “I don’t think there is any doubt that we are headed for the deepest recession in Alaska’s history as a state.”

Scared yet? I am. But I’m not leaving, so I’m digging deeper into Knapp’s report to learn how we can soften the fall and protect those most vulnerable. I’ll cover that in my next column.

Charles Wohlforth’s column appears three times weekly.


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When the gas line was proposed a few years ago, the price of gas was $11 mmbtu and last I looked it was just north of $2.

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Originally Posted by VernAK
When the gas line was proposed a few years ago, the price of gas was $11 mmbtu and last I looked it was just north of $2.


The project manager for the gasline was retired to his surprise recently... I doubt the gasline is even being considered.


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I agree that the SOA is in a really bad place and will continue to go downhill. If a guy was looking just for the sake of investment or had the time to give it a year or two then I totally agree that waiting might score you a better deal.

But since Pauls time line isn't as flexible I still think if he shops for a well built place in his price range that he won't lose in the long run, especially on the Kenai. A guy has to live somewhere and I'd rather pay a mortgage than rent. Wait around for two years paying a grand a month in rent and you've already pissed away $24,000.

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Originally Posted by trapperJ
I agree that the SOA is in a really bad place and will continue to go downhill. If a guy was looking just for the sake of investment or had the time to give it a year or two then I totally agree that waiting might score you a better deal.

But since Pauls time line isn't as flexible I still think if he shops for a well built place in his price range that he won't lose in the long run, especially on the Kenai. A guy has to live somewhere and I'd rather pay a mortgage than rent. Wait around for two years paying a grand a month in rent and you've already pissed away $24,000.


I agree rent is pissed away but you do not get much for a grand a month anywhere around here... But I still think there is far more downside risk than upside opportunity unless you find someone that is already in a real bind.

There have been some very good properties popping up and selling quickly at hugely reduced prices.

Back in the late '80s there were some incredible deals just about everywhere. The banks were holding back their inventory to prevent flooding the market. Condos were sold regularly for 16 cents on the dollar. Foreclosure auctions were nonstop.


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I'll throw this at you in a different light. I have seen housing prices drop by 40K on 300k places in the Anchorage area already and I am of the opinion we are just starting the trend down. That being the case, by spending the 24k in rent and saving 40k plus, long term, a person will be further ahead. A person would also factor in some interest rate increase but at the same time property taxes should be less on a property with a lower value. A person will be able to get into a more valuable property for the same dollars. Just a different perspective, but to each his own.

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I suppose it depends on your horizon. Your $500K house today may easily be $400k in 24 months. If I were moving up today you can be damn sure I would be renting for a spell...but the top end (which is not moving at all, despite the bullschit realtors assurances) will certainly be the hardest hit.

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