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How does the recoil compare with your 06 and conventional wood stocks and OEM recoil pads ?
... The .338 has a Limbsaver on it, which helps quite a bit compared to the Ruger tire tread it had before. I usually shot it with heavy clothing (hunting) or whit a PAST shoulder pad, which sort of matches the thickness of my hunting clothes. At the range I rarely take more than 2-3 shots with it in a string but will do several strings. My best guess is the Zytel stock is about 1'2 pound lighter than walnut, at best. That should equate to about 2 pounds more recoil for a 225g pushed to 2742fps with 69.0g powder. While it will wake you up I don't find it too bad. (About 33.8 ft-lbs vs 31.9 calculated.) The .300 and .30-06 have the factory tire treads. They will leave a mark if shooting in light clothing so I normally use the PAST pad or a jacket. Assuming 1/2 pound less for the Zytel stock, my .300WM 180g load comes in at about 1-1/2 ft-lbs more recoil and the .30-06 168g loads at about 1 pound more per my recoil calculator. I have a laminate stock for the .30-06 and don't notice the difference.
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How does the recoil compare with your 06 and conventional wood stocks and OEM recoil pads ?
... The .338 has a Limbsaver on it, which helps quite a bit compared to the Ruger tire tread it had before. I usually shot it with heavy clothing (hunting) or whit a PAST shoulder pad, which sort of matches the thickness of my hunting clothes. At the range I rarely take more than 2-3 shots with it in a string but will do several strings. My best guess is the Zytel stock is about 1'2 pound lighter than walnut, at best. That should equate to about 2 pounds more recoil for a 225g pushed to 2742fps with 69.0g powder. While it will wake you up I don't find it too bad. (About 33.8 ft-lbs vs 31.9 calculated.) The .300 and .30-06 have the factory tire treads. They will leave a mark if shooting in light clothing so I normally use the PAST pad or a jacket. Assuming 1/2 pound less for the Zytel stock, my .300WM 180g load comes in at about 1-1/2 ft-lbs more recoil and the .30-06 168g loads at about 1 pound more per my recoil calculator. I have a laminate stock for the .30-06 and don't notice the difference. The weight is not the only issue with the bp stock when it comes to recoil. The stock comes alive and vibrates very rudely in recoil. I find them far worse than the numbers would indicate.
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C H - Thanks for responding. IF I come across one in a cartridge I'll use, I'll not be afraid of it. Thanks Again
The weight is not the only issue with the bp stock when it comes to recoil. The stock comes alive and vibrates very rudely in recoil. I find them far worse than the numbers would indicate.
Sitka - I knew that weight was ONLY part of the issue. The other and I expected greater aspect is the Tire Tread pad. As you know, recoil is a very subjective aka personal thing. There are cartridges that some RUN AWAY from while others don't seem to notice. I had a State Trooper friend that let me shoot an AR 15 for my first time. No recoil but the RACKET inside the rifle was noticeable. Kinda like it was falling apart. Thanks for your response too. Jerry
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I give two [bleep], as long as it doesn't have a fat, ugly external barrel nut, and shoots great and carries decent. Sure, I prefer 70s too, but I could live with most anything that reliably goes where I want it too and doesn't carry or look like a bag of bricks.
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I give two [bleep], as long as it doesn't have a fat, ugly external barrel nut, and shoots great and carries decent. Sure, I prefer 70s too, but I could live with most anything that reliably goes where I want it too and doesn't carry or look like a bag of bricks. Let's see, I have Mausers of several flavors, 700s, 7s, 721s, 760s, 7600s, 77s, Howas, several Winchesters, even an A-Bort... I think I can get by...
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Yeah. I'm pretty eclectic as well. Mood strikes me, it's Ruger, Rem, Mauser, or Win bolt guns, or lever Marlins or a 99 I'm not quite done with, single shots or even ARs. I guess I'm a hypocritical purist. I'm an admitted 35 fruit, so those see more trigger time for hunting, of late. Do have that CLR that's gotta go to Melvin, also.
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I have happily used Mark X Mausers, Rem 600, 7 and 700s, Win 70s both push feed and the "new" pre-64 aka controlled round feed. I just got a Ruger 77 stainless largely to get a .338-06 wannabe aka 338 RCM to play with.
If I had to have just one, it would have to be NULA. I have two and a third on order. Nothing is really comparable from those listed above.
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I've pretty much done this already with Sakos chambered in .222, .243, 7x64, .308, 30-06, .35 Whelen, and .375H&H. Not about to give up my other rifles, but I could "make do" with these few.
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I've pretty much done this already with Sakos chambered in .222, .243, 7x64, .308, 30-06, .35 Whelen, and .375H&H. Not about to give up my other rifles, but I could "make do" with these few. That would be a burden... I feel for ya! SMILE ! Jerry
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Having said those things:
I could live with OLDER Rem 700s, Win 70s, &/or Tikka (Sako)
You pick, I'm happy.
Jerry
. Long barrel my 'decision' is made after 40+ yrs of rifle loonyism when I didn't know what to call it. IMO there are a few rifle manufacturers that produce A MODEL of rifle that qualifies for serious consideration. OTOH there are other manufacturers that do NOT make A rifle that I would consider paying $$ to get. I'm very happy that we HAVE choices to make. Jerry
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Surprised to see so many factory choices. There are a lot of custom brand/models that would get my nod
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Even most bolt customs start out on a production action, save for a few.....and they all work the same: lift bolt handle, retract bolt, close bolt, lower bolt handle, fire, repeat. 
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Rem 700. Tomorrow is another day 
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All sorts of preferences and ideas, but you would have a hard time finding more consistent manufacturing and accuracy from one maker...Sako
I knew you'd say that; what is your favorite model of theirs? I have always wanted one but don't know what to look for... There is an AV at my local Cabelas in rough shape for $600 but I am sure I could talk email down.
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All sorts of preferences and ideas, but you would have a hard time finding more consistent manufacturing and accuracy from one maker...Sako
I knew you'd say that; what is your favorite model of theirs? I have always wanted one but don't know what to look for... There is an AV at my local Cabelas in rough shape for $600 but I am sure I could talk email down. The action alone would be worth that if you wanted to build a custom gun. My preference is Vixen or Forester length actions as they are made for lighter cartridges, which is what I shoot the most. You have to decide on what cartridge you want to shoot the most, then get the rifle in that chambering, the action will be perfectly matched to your choice. Ammo will fit and feed reliably from the magazine and the gun will shoot real well. My preference is still pre-Garcia guns with Bofors barrels, but that still wouldn't keep me from getting a Garcia or even a Stoeger imported gun, But I have no desire for any of the later guns from about the late 1980's to present...
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I've had the Winchester model 70 and I have the Remington 700. I've never been able to decide which I like better but I've never had a CRF model 70 either. That might be the clincher.
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Yeah, if you add up all the pluses: good design, quality, actions scaled to cartridges (not just shortened), accuracy, etc. etc, Sakos are tough to beat. Like Mausers, I seem to have trouble hanging on to them. I could easily get by with only one nice Forester in .243 or .308. Might be the way I eventually go when I get really old and pass on more of my stuff to my offspring. Not yet, though.
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Not a looney, but some chamberings/platforms just seem to be like peas and carrots. R700 in 7 Mag for starters...
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