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I noticed these are a little shorter than the red tip version. Also there appears to be a slight crimp just under the tip which makes me wonder if the tips are in the 25 caliber bullets. Can't wait to see more results from on game performance and accuracy. I will be shooting them As reduced recoil loads at about 2500 fps. I shouldn't have to worry about them blowing up.
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It is only a sample of one, but I had a bad experience with a 120 red tip from a 7mm-08 a few years ago. I shot a small buck from the ground at about 20 yards with a handload of varget and a 120 grain NBT. The deer turned and ran out of sight like I missed him. Luckily for me there was a light snow/frost on the leaves and I could follow his footprints from the hair at the impact site down to where I eventually found him. It was downhill about 125 yards from the shot location. There was not a single drop of blood the entire way. When I found him there was nasty frothy stuff coming from his nose. Small hole in and out through the lungs. Without snow, I would have been lucky to find him. I almost stepped on him when I finally found him camouflaged behind a tree, against a log. The load shoots very well from my gun and was traveling at about 3K fps. I expected a little better performance. I bought some more of the blue tips and hope to put them to use again with better results.
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^^^^ This is similar to my one and only experience with the red tips on deer.
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It is only a sample of one, but I had a bad experience with a 120 red tip from a 7mm-08 a few years ago. I shot a small buck from the ground at about 20 yards with a handload of varget and a 120 grain NBT. The deer turned and ran out of sight like I missed him. Luckily for me there was a light snow/frost on the leaves and I could follow his footprints from the hair at the impact site down to where I eventually found him. It was downhill about 125 yards from the shot location. There was not a single drop of blood the entire way. When I found him there was nasty frothy stuff coming from his nose. Small hole in and out through the lungs. Without snow, I would have been lucky to find him. I almost stepped on him when I finally found him camouflaged behind a tree, against a log. The load shoots very well from my gun and was traveling at about 3K fps. I expected a little better performance. I bought some more of the blue tips and hope to put them to use again with better results. Seriously? What did you expect exactly?
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It is only a sample of one, but I had a bad experience with a 120 red tip from a 7mm-08 a few years ago. I shot a small buck from the ground at about 20 yards with a handload of varget and a 120 grain NBT. The deer turned and ran out of sight like I missed him. Luckily for me there was a light snow/frost on the leaves and I could follow his footprints from the hair at the impact site down to where I eventually found him. It was downhill about 125 yards from the shot location. There was not a single drop of blood the entire way. When I found him there was nasty frothy stuff coming from his nose. Small hole in and out through the lungs. Without snow, I would have been lucky to find him. I almost stepped on him when I finally found him camouflaged behind a tree, against a log. The load shoots very well from my gun and was traveling at about 3K fps. I expected a little better performance. I bought some more of the blue tips and hope to put them to use again with better results. Had the same reaction from a buck I shot with 150 gr ttsx from my 300 win mag (3300fps). He was about 30 yards from my stand. Luckily I saw his white belly over 100 yards away. Almost no blood cuz I had a high hit and fat sealed the exit.
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I expected that there would be blood on the ground and that the deer would have had some type of reaction from the impact of the bullet. My results would have been something I would have expected to see from shooting a deer with a FMJ bullet not a ballistic tip.
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I get tired of posting this, but my daughters and their kids have taken several pickup loads of game consisting of Coues whitetails, desert mule deer and pronghorns with 7mm-08s and 120-grain BTs. If you throw in the dozen or so guest hunters that used one of my 7mm-08 loaners, that would probably account for another couple of pickup loads.
Many of the latter group were youths and/or first-time hunters who had never shot an animal with a center-fire rifle. I cannot remember any animals that were not recovered, nor can I remember any that required a second shot. My younger daughter still uses them in her 7mm-08 and one of my grandsons uses them exclusively in his .280 for Texas whitetails. YMMV.
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I get tired of posting this, but my daughters and their kids have taken several pickup loads of game consisting of Coues whitetails, desert mule deer and pronghorns with 7mm-08s and 120-grain BTs. If you throw in the dozen or so guest hunters that used one of my 7mm-08 loaners, that would probably account for another couple of pickup loads.
Many of the latter group were youths and/or first-time hunters who had never shot an animal with a center-fire rifle. I cannot remember any animals that were not recovered, nor can I remember any that required a second shot. My younger daughter still uses them in her 7mm-08 and one of my grandsons uses them exclusively in his .280 for Texas whitetails. YMMV. Do you remember the load? Thanks RM
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Do you remember the load?
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48.5 grains of H-414 in R-P cases with WLR primers.
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Do you remember the load?
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48.5 grains of H-414 in R-P cases with WLR primers. According to Hodgdon that's a half grain below max. Probably close to 3000 fps mv, maybe a hair shy. Great results. P
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Nosler recommends 3200 as max, 1800 as min velocity.
Has anyone noticed a "sweet spot" in terms of velocity and performance?
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I let accuracy dictate over MV personally. That being said I've found great accuracy with 44g RL15 and 45g Varget in the 3025-3100fps range. This has accounted for the 20 or so whitetails and over 100 hogs with great results.
Haven't tried Big Game or H411 yet, but have H414 on hand and will try mudhen's load.
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That load is 2.0 grains below max in the Nosler manual, and it was the most accurate load I tried--way back when. I finally found the chronograph printout and it averaged 2,981 fps from a 23-inch Douglas premium barrel.
I have some 7-08 rounds loaded up with 120 BTs and Big Game, but haven't got around to shooting them yet. I hope to get out soon and see if the BG shoots as well.
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How far off the lands are yall loading the 120 NBT red tips?
Im getting "ok" accuracy (1.25" at 100) from my M70 featherweight. Velocity around 3010fps with 25gr of Varget. Really having a hard time finding a load that this rifle shoots under 1" consistently.
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Nosler recommends 3200 as max, 1800 as min velocity.
Has anyone noticed a "sweet spot" in terms of velocity and performance?
P I get 3633 - 3652 fps with 120 NBT, 72 gr H4350 in 7mmRemMag. I went through a couple boxes at the range and got great groups. I wound up shooting animals with 140 gr NBT in several of my 7mmRM rifles. But in 6.5-06, I killed two deer in 2015 with 120 gr Nos Bal Tip at 3236 fps over the chrono. I am a dyed in the wool Nosler Ballistic tip bullet consumer. They make dead animals so much easier to find.
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How far off the lands are yall loading the 120 NBT red tips?
Im getting "ok" accuracy (1.25" at 100) from my M70 featherweight. Velocity around 3010fps with 25gr of Varget. Really having a hard time finding a load that this rifle shoots under 1" consistently. Pretty sure you must mean 45 grains of Varget?
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Yes, 45gr is what i meant.
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Well, I ordered some of these bullets awhile back and finally got a chance to shoot a few today. I decided to try a few mid-book loads from Nosler, just to see where I was at with them. 42 grains of RL-15 grouped at 1.15". 48.5 gr of H414 grouped at .697". And 43 gr of Varget grouped at .167". Obviously I don't expect sub .2" groups in the future, but you take them when you can get them, and hopefully they'll stay at .75" as I work up the speed. I am going to work up the H414 load too and see what it does at max. Here's a pic of the group from the Varget load: ![[Linked Image]](http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn21/WadeSamuelson/Reloading%20and%20Targets/AD7B5DFA-B7EE-4C6E-A6FC-21ABD406D0BC_zpsf3uuka0h.jpg)
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And 43 gr of Varget grouped at .167". Just curious about the rifle you're working with. If I ever get time I'll be working with Varget and 120 NBTs in a Tikka T3. By the way, 43 gr is also where Nosler found their accuracy load with Varget...
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What's a reasonable velocity to expect with the 120's from a 22" barrel,
I'm getting 3000 from my M70 with 45gr Varget and trying to decide if it's worth working up any more.
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