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Shoot or don't shoot. #11104822 04/08/16
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OP roundoak Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State	Buck on my trailcam about year and half ago. 6:22 AM Iron sights - shoot or no shoot? Scope sights - shoot or no shoot? You're Welcome At My Fire Anytime

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Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11104845 04/08/16
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SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1 Midwest	Provided it's legal shooting time... Boom. WWP53D

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. SKane #11104857 04/08/16
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State roundoak OP Campfire Outfitter
OP roundoak Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State	Using the Wisconsin DNR shooting hour formula for southwest Wisconsin on that date 6:11 AM would have been legal. You're Welcome At My Fire Anytime

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11104864 04/08/16
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cv540 Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 3,240 Coulee Country	Wouldnt be real crazy shooting not knowing what is on the horizon behind it. NO shoot "Put none but Americans on guard tonight." -George Washington

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. cv540 #11104868 04/08/16
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1 Midwest SKane Campfire Ranger
SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1 Midwest	That would have been my only issue. (horizon) WWP53D

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Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11104876 04/08/16
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,500 S.C. KS Y yeselk Campfire Regular
yeselk Campfire Regular Y Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,500 S.C. KS	I won't shoot unless I can see dirt behind him.

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. cv540 #11104897 04/08/16
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Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by cv540 Wouldnt be real crazy shooting not knowing what is on the horizon behind it. NO shoot This type of discretion for safety is why we still have rights concerning Firearms and Hunting. Good call...It would be a no for me too. I have actually been in this exact position looking through a scope with the safety off a couple times and let them go in the name of safety. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11104917 04/08/16
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4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	Originally Posted by roundoak Buck on my trailcam about year and half ago. 6:22 AM Iron sights - shoot or no shoot? Scope sights - shoot or no shoot? That angle? No. Hell, there's no telling really whether there's anything in front of or behind him that you don't want to shoot, or in front of him that would screw up the shot. Same situation from an elevated position (tree stand, tripod, elevated blind), and assuming a decent scope to see the situation better, and that's a dead buck. Iron sights? No, not even from an elevated position. Just not enough clarity on what's in front of him to call it a clean shot. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11104952 04/08/16
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Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	It would be pretty hard to explain why you have no tag for that Doe standing right behind him that just by chance happened to go down too. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11106147 04/08/16
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River_Ridge Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 3,591 Likes: 2 Upstate NY	No way. Identify your target and what's beyond it. Wag more, bark less. The freedoms we surrender today will be the freedoms our grandchildren will never know existed. The men who wrote the Second Amendment didn't just finish a hunting trip, they just finished liberating a nation.

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Re: Shoot or don't shoot. cv540 #11106440 04/08/16
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 18,033 North Central U.S. gophergunner Campfire Ranger
gophergunner Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 18,033 North Central U.S.	Originally Posted by cv540 Wouldnt be real crazy shooting not knowing what is on the horizon behind it. NO shoot My thoughts exactly. molɔ̀ːn labé skýla

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. gophergunner #11106743 04/08/16
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OP roundoak Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State	Good to see everyone conscious of one of the hunter safety tenets. "Be certain of your target and what's beyond it." You're Welcome At My Fire Anytime

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11106766 04/08/16
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1	I'm guessing no one owns good binoculars. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. Steelhead #11106775 04/08/16
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,306 Likes: 2 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,306 Likes: 2 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by Steelhead I'm guessing no one owns good binoculars. And Im guessing whoever set up the trail cam knows whats beyond that target, so that would dictate the safety factor involved. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11106778 04/08/16
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1	And photograph facing the sun is different than what one will actually see. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. ingwe #11107046 04/09/16
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SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1 Midwest	Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by Steelhead I'm guessing no one owns good binoculars. And Im guessing whoever set up the trail cam knows whats beyond that target, so that would dictate the safety factor involved. +1.....and, +1. WWP53D

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11107189 04/09/16
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,813 outside the burgh	Had the same situation standing on the far crest. Watched him for over 30 minutes while he ate red berries off a bush and he stayed crested the entire time until it became dark. 235 yards away. Scattered houses inside 2 miles. Another guy killed him next year. Huge hog of a non-typical. Now what? About 20 yards away and there are scattered houses within a mile behind. Horns? Last edited by battue; 04/09/16. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11107198 04/09/16
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BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	Ahh....let him walk he's just not big enough..... The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11107712 04/09/16
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JoeMartin Campfire Tracker J Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 5,178 Mt Airy, MD	The obvious answer is do not shoot. But we are lacking a bit of info. It looks like it might be a gentle slope going up behind him. If you were in a 10 foot tripod you might be shooting into the ground. But, form the angle of the picture, it's a do NOT shoot, Joe. I'm not greedy, I just want one of each. Remember Ira Hayes JoeMartin

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. ingwe #11108174 04/09/16
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jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	Originally Posted by ingwe And Im guessing whoever set up the trail cam knows whats beyond that target, so that would dictate the safety factor involved. I agree with the 'hunter' knowing his terrain and what is/not in background. In Ark. where I hunt, we wouldn't have to be concerned about another deer behind the one in the scene>BECAUSE we have such a liberal bag limit. However, IF there was a small buck W/O 3 pts. on 1 side, it's illegal. Best not to shoot but under certain circumstances very tempting. Jerry jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11108813 04/10/16
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bangeye Campfire Tracker B Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,891 Edge of nowhere	Not with standing the background issue I had a shot under similar lighting a several years ago at a deer walking past my stand. I picked an opening in the trees for line of fire and touched one off when he stepped into it. I had been reading about shooting in low light though I had never done it . When the rifle went off I was immediately blinded by the muzzle flash to a point it took me a good 30 minutes sitting there in the blind to regain my vision enough to climb down. I heard him shuffle off to my left but didn't see a reaction to the shot etc. I finally got down and by then it was getting much lighter but I never did find any blood ,hair or the deer. I saw spots for the rest of the day. So no I wouldn't shoot when it's that dark even though it's legal time. Last edited by bangeye; 04/10/16.

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. bangeye #11108863 04/10/16
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Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by bangeye Not with standing the background issue I had a shot under similar lighting a several years ago at a deer walking past my stand. I picked an opening in the trees for line of fire and touched one off when he stepped into it. I had been reading about shooting in low light though I had never done it . When the rifle went off I was immediately blinded by the muzzle flash to a point it took me a good 30 minutes sitting there in the blind to regain my vision enough to climb down. I heard him shuffle off to my left but didn't see a reaction to the shot etc. I finally got down and by then it was getting much lighter but I never did find any blood ,hair or the deer. I saw spots for the rest of the day. So no I wouldn't shoot when it's that dark even though it's legal time. Very good point about Muzzle Flash. This is why I would never own another handgun with a compensator. I just might have need to make a second shot in low light conditions in order to successfully defend my own person. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. Bugout4x4 #11110747 04/10/16
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CEJ1895 Campfire Outfitter C Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,639 Connecticut	I would not take that shot.. Too many unknowns.. Speak softly and use a big bore... Where's El Cid when we need him...

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11110947 04/11/16
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BH63 Campfire Member B Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 305	Depends on if I knew what was on the other side. I would probably watch him for a few seconds to ensure there wasn't other animals hidden around him. Many Wildlife Officers will give you a free pass, if you accidentally kill another animal via a shoot through, provided visibility of the other animal was limited by tall grass, brush, etc. If in doubt, shoot is my motto! (just kidding). BH63

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. BH63 #11110972 04/11/16
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Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,342 Likes: 9 Oregon	I'd flame that buck. I spent many years bowhunting, and the biggest mistake most new bowhunters make is hesitating when they should have taken the shot. I thought I'd get a better angle... blah blah blah. Too many TV shows i say. It's all about confidence and knowing your skill level. If you don't have the skill to make a shot, don't, but that's not a difficult shot. Shoot that deer down. _______________________________________________________ An 8 dollar driveway boy living in a T-111 shack LOL

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11111054 04/11/16
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pointer Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,663 Indiana	BANG!

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. gophergunner #11111108 04/11/16
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donsm70 Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,179 Western Pennsylvania	Originally Posted by gophergunner Originally Posted by cv540 Wouldnt be real crazy shooting not knowing what is on the horizon behind it. NO shoot My thoughts exactly. +1 donsm70 Life Member...Safari Club International Life Member...Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Life Member...Keystone Country Elk Alliance Life Member...National Rifle Association

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11118630 04/14/16
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barm Campfire Tracker Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,105 Virginia	I would say don't shoot. No idea where the bullet may go if you hit or miss. I always check for a safe back stop.

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. barm #11118674 04/14/16
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deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 South Florida	Plenty of places I'd take that shot. Plenty of places I wouldn't. Dave Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. roundoak #11135133 04/21/16
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Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,401 Likes: 4 WA rain forest	In 2015 I was involved with a number of shot where we waited for legal hunting hours to start, and shot right on the minute. In two cases, that does not mean there is enough light to easily find the deer or antelope. One, we searched for an hour, and then as we were giving up and leaving, we found it right in front of us. There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps

Re: Shoot or don't shoot. River_Ridge #11135284 04/21/16
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bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,169 Likes: 14 Battle Born	Originally Posted by River_Ridge No way. Identify your target and what's beyond it. Exactly.. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

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