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Can any of you make the case for weed without a moral equivalent? Weed as an issue by itself.
Not weed = alcohol, not weed = tobacco, not prohibitition was a failure. I don't want to hear "you suck because you drink but don't want to legalize weed". I don't want to hear stoners should have unfettered access to pot just because millions drink everyday. Discuss weed on its own merits and as its own subject. You can start another thread about booze and cigs if you want and I'll happily opine on those individual issues. sorry but equivalency is always a factor in these things. it's a gateway drug because it's been mostly bought on the black market, criminals control the black market. it's a different high than alcohol, in fact alcohol iirc is a depressant you're making almost the same argument that folks that want to ban black rifles. you're just as dead if shot with gramps thutty-thutty. but them black rifles are no damned good and neither is that weed! if you don't want a black rifle, don't buy one if you don't want to smoke weed don't buy it you're either for limited gov't and freedom or you're not.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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There's probably 1000 different types of weeds growing in my back yard and nobody gives a damn if I smoke any of them. But if it turns out that smoking one type of them makes you want to eat ice cream and listen to music, they'll lock your ass up for it.
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Can any of you make the case for weed without a moral equivalent? Weed makes you high. People want to get high. When it's illegal, it increases crime and eliminates the ability to tax. When it's legal, it decreases crime and is taxable. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I've never seen anyone get high and beat their wife.
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I've never seen anyone get high and beat their wife. You must live in a classy trailer park.
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I'm for less government, not more.
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
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I'm for less government, not more. Which is why Colorado etc is funny to me. So many consider legalization/taxation/regulation as a victory for freedom and less government.
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I've never seen anyone get high and beat their wife. You must live in a classy trailer park. yep double wide here, we're living pretty good
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Campfire Oracle
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I'm for less government, not more. Which is why Colorado etc is funny to me. So many consider legalization/taxation/regulation as a victory for freedom and less government. I don't consider it that. But either legal or illegal, it's a billion dollar a year industry in Colorado. I'd rather that money remain circulating in the USA than go to fund murderers in Mexico.
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Oh, I understand, just saying that I don't consider regulation and freedom the same.
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If you want to waste time/money/brainpower on weed, have at it. Not for me.
And yes, you would be more free with pot being illegal, than legal.
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Campfire Oracle
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And yes, you would be more free with pot being illegal, than legal. How ya figure that?
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"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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And yes, you would be more free with pot being illegal, than legal. How ya figure that? So you are suggesting that government involvement/regulation etc is GREATER freedom?
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More laws do NOT make one more free nor do more laws foster freedom.
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
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And yes, you would be more free with pot being illegal, than legal. How ya figure that? So you are suggesting that government involvement/regulation etc is GREATER freedom? More free than an outright prohibition. More free than being a criminal by ignoring the law.
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
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gov't regulating and taxing it is a whole nuther concept and is anti freedom
but gov't is gonna dip it's beak in anything they can, they're insatiable when it comes to money.
but for the fact that a person wants to grow some, smoke some and could end up in the pokey for doing so, that damn sure ain't freedom
well other than the outlaw sense of it, which is what all the 2nd supporters will be if HRC gets elected and appoints who she wants to the SC
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Campfire Oracle
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And yes, you would be more free with pot being illegal, than legal. How ya figure that? So you are suggesting that government involvement/regulation etc is GREATER freedom? More free than an outright prohibition. More free than being a criminal by ignoring the law. So gun registration, magazine restrictions is what we as gun owners should push for so we can be more free than if they are completely banned. Works for me.
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Campfire Oracle
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Yeah, they still exercise some control over it. But before it was totally illegal.
States have money problems. Pension funds for state employees are upside down in many states.
They're going to be paid somehow.
So states can continue to dump money on trying to enforce laws against marijuana, or they can be realistic and use that market to generate badly needed revenue.
It's going to happen. Governments will only ignore a tax source this large for so long before they tap into it. Especially when they're hurting for money.
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