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Pebble belongs on the same pile of historical rubble where the Rampart dam, Project Chariot and a few other 'bright ideas' reside. (And some of those things didn't have the benefit of as much insight as we should have now.)
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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So you are in favor of the Pebble Mine? I'm in favor of the permitting process to run its course to decide whether the mine develops or not the way it's supposed to. So now the anarchist wants to trust big gov... funny if not so telling...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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The mine has not been stopped by anyone aside from the operators. No EIS was ever filed and no one told them to stop.
It was only those that put out the real skinny on their intentions that made them realize it would be a lot of uphill fighting to get it done, with their major backers in gov exposed.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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.......will permit anything as long as you pad the right pockets,.... And, in times of financial difficulty like we face now, that price is not as high as it was previously. AK pols rollover at a low threshold.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
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So you are in favor of the Pebble Mine? I'm in favor of the permitting process to run its course to decide whether the mine develops or not the way it's supposed to. So now the anarchist wants to trust big gov... funny if not so telling... Anarchist? Who the fahq you calling an anarchist? It's anarchist for anti-Pebble fahqs to circumvent the lawful prescribed process that decides whether a project takes place or not.
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Lawful can be right and/or good, but it is never equal to it.
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Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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So you are in favor of the Pebble Mine? I'm in favor of the permitting process to run its course to decide whether the mine develops or not the way it's supposed to. So now the anarchist wants to trust big gov... funny if not so telling... Anarchist? Who the fahq you calling an anarchist? It's anarchist for anti-Pebble fahqs to circumvent the lawful prescribed process that decides whether a project takes place or not. So you think Frank's maneuvers re using marine asset analysis criteria was lawful? Funny, the judge in that case did not decide it was even legal, let alone lawful. What about Cook Inlet natural gas? You are so deep into it you have no clue. And the coal slurry plant? Thought so... And no one shut off the process, period! It was simply a case where they kept getting caught. They can legally proceed with their "awful" plans any time they like. They did not even get to the EIS so it is impossible for them to have been stopped by anything in the process.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Then you design and implement a new process.
The problem with Pebble is you have no idea which side is lying. In the end one would expect the process to expose the lies regardless of whose lies they are.
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I can assure you at various times I had a lot more information about Pebble than anyone posting here. Quite a bit was not public.
Many of the lies were uncovered and all of those came from the State and companies looking at doing the digging. None of the lies could have come from the other side because there was no other side... just a Native Corp which sued and won to correct illegal actions on the part of Murkowski.
The number of jobs produced was going to be tiny, the risks at dozens of levels huge, and return to the State miniscule.
The mining rigs were to be huge and unmanned, for example. The arsenic heap leach process was not part of the plan... until it was. The negotiations to reduce the State's share were already being worked.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Perhaps it would help to make more of that info public.
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Perhaps it would help to make more of that info public. Everything I have posted here is public. Reading comprehension is lacking on the part of those intent on letting the system vet the project for them. The concept that the system was stopped is ridiculous. There is no way to get reporters to produce a full and accurate story and even harder for some to look past their own narrow bias. Pebble is the only mine project in AK right now that I am completely opposed to... and there are plenty that have failed to fulfill their obligations to not pollute.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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