Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Finn Aagaard on the 280 Remington

It doesn't really matter does it?

It didn't happen except in your imagination. Dream on.

Point is there has been some form of a 7mm (284) on a 30/06 capacity case in existence since 1917-1918 (whenever) and it has not even dented the sales, popularity and big game killing performance of the 270 Winchester,and never will.

This is how I ended up using the .280. I was in search of a .270 in a SS KS and after searching for some time (to no avail), stumbled into a .280. I figured "close enough".

Tehehehehe........



I think the 280 might be mo betta.................







Shod

When I had my 280 built it had been renamed "7mm Express". I still have Remington cases with those markings.

That's how I got my first 280...a custom on a Mauser action. It was a very nice rifle,chambered for 280.

I said..."Just like a 270!"

So I bought it.

I once bought a 25-06 thinking that it's close enough to the 270.



Push feed M70, Winlite(McMillian stock).

Did Finn hunt so that he had material to write? Or were the two activities always in tandem over the years?

A few decades ago I searched for a Model 70 .270 Win. but I got a good deal on a 1949 Model 70 that was a .270 reworked by Emil Koshollek into a 7x57mm with a 24" Buhmiller barrel.

I thought that was close enough to a .270.

You win....grin

It is....and without being gay.

I have a .25/06.

Finn was a Kenya PH starting in the 1950's, through to 1976 when hunting was banned in Kenya. He only became a "gunwriter" starting in the 1980's after he had moved to the USA. So no, most of his hunting experience was long before his writing career.

Ok thanks. In my "formative" years, I saw his writing quite a bit and he always had a thread of common sense running throughout an article.

You still don't get it. Yet you continiue to argue with yourself.

It is not the caliber...it is the name. In 1917 most people had never been to the dentist let alone recongize the name Brenneke...Winchester on the other hand was a household name.



To your last statement, you really need to get over yourself.

I posted in my original reply a nudge...just to get the elbows going. Popularity has little to do with "killing performance". You really mean to be taken seriously to suggest that a bullet that is .007" difference in diameter is going to eclipse another in "killing power"?

The cult of the 270 apostles is almost as irrational as the cult of the 1/4 bore.

Lighten up. This is just a forum...and it's all for fun.

If they would of came out with the 6.5-06 first none of the others would of been needed.............

From page 188 of The Hunting Rifle by Jack O'Connor, 1970, The Winchester Press, 314pp, ISBN 087691007X

The 6.5 swede is an efficient 6.5-06.....

The bases have been covered for 120 years now.




Shod

They did.. it was called the 256 Newton.

The went a long ways to the Top Ten charts, huh?

I think an awful lot of the .270's popularity had to do with JOC and a zippy 130gr loading.

But to say that just because a similar cartridge existed previously, the .280 was doomed to failure is placing too much weight on the logic of buyers and timelessness of a cartridge.

A round has to be in the right place at the right time to succeed. It has to make a splash when the puddle is deep, so to speak. Yeah, there are a bunch of 6.5mm rounds out there. But I wouldn't say he Creedmoor has no chance at becoming Americas most popular 6.5 round. Mostly because of timing.

If you read everything i said, instead of cherry picking,you'd know I think the 280 has nothing over the 270. This business of .007 in bullet diameter making the 280 something special is the purview of the 280 lovers....not me.

So "no" I don't believe there's a difference. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I use them both, interchangeably. There is no difference in killing effectiveness between them. That's bullet dependent.

Popularity has nothing to do with killing effectiveness; but if the 270 didn't work well as a BG cartridge, it would not have sold and been popular.It's record in that regard is obvious. The 280 in all it's various guises, fell flat, because it tried to fill a niche already occupied by the 270,and did nothing really different.

The 7 Rem Mag polished it off. That's part of cartridge history too.

I get the fun part. I love reading revisionist history. I don't care who heard of what in 1925. You had the 270 and no 280. Those are facts.

I think it's silly the topic even comes up....but 280 lovers refuse to let it die. "if this"...."if that"...the 270 would never exist. Hilarious.