Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Finn Aagaard on the 280 Remington

Damn I can't wait for the hunting season to start! You boys are board [bleep]! Sh1tless

That quote sounded word for word like it came out of O'Connor's "The Big Game Rifle" 1952 also.

You should have edited that post one more time.

If handloading is the order of the day the 280 certainly has it in the bullet selection area.

The 270 has a much better shelf ammo availability.

But then this thread don't have one damn thing to do with the 270.

It's about Finn Aagaard and his thoughts on the 280

It's been turned into the police brigade and forceful recommendations about what may or may not be discussed on the fire have been thrown about.

It appears nobody gives two schits about those recommendations. We're here to discuss many topics including Finn Aagaard





Shod

He still doesn't know, what he doesn't know.

Jerry

Shod - Guess who started the 270 aspect in this discussion

Clue - P 2








Just for grins & giggles!

Jerry

I just knew there must be a reason why I have been hanging onto that box of original 270 150 Gr Nosler Solid Base bullets...

A few years back and friend and I each had cow tags for the Madison valley. We had access to a big ranch we were living on and could choose our moment to execute our cows. The day finally arrived when elk cooperated so it would be a simple thing to get the truck to the fallen quarry.

My friend was shooting a 300 WM with handloaded 180 NAB's. I had a 270 WIN with handloaded 150 NBT's. We each picked out our cows, both similar sized (on the large side), and both shot. Each of us hit our cows about identically through the ribs/lungs. The range was essentially identical, right at 150 yards. Mine tipped over almost immediately after a couple steps, his took a 25 yard dash. His Accubond was under the hide on the offside, my Ballistic Tip passed through.

So none of this has any bearing on anything, being an example of one, other than that day the 270 was at least the equal of a 300 WM on eating-sized cow elk, and that Ballistic Tips are more bullet than many think!

moosemike-
Agreed. The Big-Game Rifle from 1952 was the first book I took off the shelf to search for MD's quote. I did not find it there, so I went next to the 1970 book where I did find it.

The similar passage in the 1952 book is this: "Western-Winchester preserves semi-spitzer shape with the Silvertip by protecting the soft lead point by a thin jacket of tin. Same stunt was used on the now obsolete Winchester protected soft-point bullets in .25, .270, and .30 caliber. They are now obsolete, but the 130-grain .270 bullet of that construction with its sharp point and heavy reinforced base was largely responsible for making the reputation of the .270 cartridge. It was an expensive bullet to manufacture, but so are the Bronze Points and the Silvertips."

--Bob

Amazing isn't it ?

I thought his comments regarding the 7mm Express/.280 Rem within the article which Brad recently posted on the .270 Win were rather prophetic :

"For the handloader the 7mm Express/.280 Rem has the advantage that 175 gr bullets are available for it, but the chap who does not reload will find that a far greater variety of loads are offered by the manufacturers for the .270 than the .280

In any case, the differences between the two are so trifling as to be quite inconsequential for any hunting purposes save campfire discussions "

emphasis mine

So, having shot both .280s and .270s extensively (and having read this whole thread), can anyone enlighten me as to the proper pronunciation of Finn's surname? Thanks in advance!

LOL, there was two pages of discussion about this on the Aagaard thread I put up last week.

I've always pronounced it Ah-guard, and Mule Deer confirms that's the way Finn pronounced it himself. However, that wasn't quite good enough and the requisite pole vaulting of mouse-turd ensued.

Most people who bag on the BT have never used them to any extent. I HAVE been using them since they first came out and they have always worked great.

I too have been using them since the 80's, and have never been disappointed, antelope through elk. Though I've only used them on two elk, one cow and one heavy, mature bull, they seem perfectly up to the chore.

I have five 280s, the last one a Ruger #1. I would not even dream of buying ammo over the counter for a serious hunt. I guess I would qualify as a rifle loony. I used 140gr ballistic tips for roe deer and wild boar and 140 accubonds for Ibex, red stag and roe. I am not crazy about the 140 gr accubonds, and plan to try heavier bullets next time. Roe deer are no problem with the ballistic tips in 140 gr.
A very experienced friend of mine took the 7X64 to an extensive African trip and was VERY disappointed. He now uses a 270 but for roe only. He bought a 375 also.... He over reacted.
After hitting a relaxed wild boar with two perfect shots using 140 gr ballistic tips we had to track him in a tall wheat field with flashlights in the middle of the night. Now I load 175gr Swift A Frames. This is precisely the advantage of the 280 over the 270. (Also the 280 is way too common for a rifle loony)
I am not deranged, when the wife of a very good friend asked me to choose a rifle for her to give him on his 60th birthday, I bought a 30-06 with a plastic stock and free floating barrel.
So far he has 128 roe, many wild boars and stags, fallow deer, Ibex and has done Scottish doubles on wolf,roe and wild boar. He started with 150gr for roe etc but now uses only 180s for everything.
For my son I chose a 308 and he has gotten his whitetail every year for the last 15. I load monolithic only. I also got him a 300 win mag since he is not sophisticated at all...
I guess the question is who has the most fun....

Your exact words.

As a note the 280 lovers comment. I like the 280, I've owned and hunted wtih two of them. I have hunted and liked the 270, the 7 Rem Mag, the 06 and several others. I've come to the conclusion, however, that for my type of hunting, there is nothing that I cannot do with a 308 or 7-08 that I can do with the others. YMMV

Not a startling statement--which is why these discussions of very similar cartridges go on longer than any others: Hunters like to nitpick, because some believe there IS an actually difference in how a few hundredths of an inch in bullet diameter, or a few grains in weight, kill big game animals. But many want to justify their choice, when they have used relatively few cartridges on relatively few big game animals.

As a magazine editor, now retired, once said: "Somebody who's only hunted with the .308 Winchester can't write a good article about the .308 Winchester, because they have no perspective."

The same could be said about a lot of scopes, bullets, etc.

Who cares? Take a hike....

If you can't understand what I was saying that's your problem, not mine.

I understand exactly what you said. You started with something foolish...and then persisted...even when given an out.

Have a great Memorial Day.

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David