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Nothing in the nature of man is "the ground for all reality". To believe so would be to believe that there is a harmonious state of primitive being where all is just and good and the relationship between the sexes is the basis for it. But aside from a short time in the garden, such a state has never existed in man. The natural state of man is sin, depravity, and violence, regardless of the nature of the relationship of the sexes.

Far from unhinged, you schizo nut; just IDing Robert Jordan Funk, Esq., as a nut job.

Mission accomplished.

Not making any excuses for the shooter , nut job for sure , but many peoples lives would be much simpler and less stress if they kept their private live private. There has been a lot of "gay" shoved down America's throat the last couple years. Lots are sick of their [bleep] , luckly most people are stable and not nut cases

Is he this guy: http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/152160

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Respectfully, you've wholly misunderstood the argument First of all, the argument is not that "the nature of man is 'the ground for all reality'. Secondly, the argument does not imply a "harmonious state of primitive being where all is just and good". You mention "sin"--the argument I am making is non-sectarian. The history of human kind is indeed the history of depravity of violence as it is also often-times the history of courage, valor, justice and love. The issue is whether there is a non-relative basis to distinguish the latter as preferable to the former and if so, what is that basis?

And this guy...

No fan of Rob Jordan but unless he cheats or hurts a Campfire member, I don't think it's right to try and destroy someone's life.

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In short there is no morality without the Christian God.

What a crock of manure.
Zealous abound in Orlando, around the world and the Campfire in not spared either.

I'm not saying that those who don't believe are immoral, I'm saying that there is no morality withou Him. It is a distinction you might not wish to understand. If you believe in God you MUST believe that everything good comes from him. In short your belief or lack thereof may be immaterial to the source of your moral actions.

Positing that your "God" is the basis for a singular universal and absolute morality isn't the only explanation for the ethical mores widely shared among people, notwithstanding, race, culture, country of citizenship, race, era, sexual orientation, religion, occupation, etc.

My belief or even the truth of the argument does not require your agreement. Nor do I expect everyone to agree.

My belief or even the truth of the argument does not require your agreement. Nor do I expect everyone to agree.

Positing that your "God" is the basis for a singular universal and absolute morality isn't the only explanation for the ethical mores widely shared among people, notwithstanding, race, culture, country of citizenship, race, era, sexual orientation, religion, occupation, etc.

I certainly don't think homosexual behavior is moral, but I recognize that there are many aspects of heterosexual behavior that also isn't moral. My beliefs about homosexuality in no way condone hurting or killing them. I don't rejoice when fellow citizens are hurt, killed or deprived of their constitutional rights. If your allegiance is to ISIS or radical Islam you are NOT a fellow citizen, you are scum deserving of an excruciating death and swift judgement.

The sins of us all will be answered for on judgement day. Black, white, straight and gay we have the RIGHT to live our life in peace.

If Godless evolution is a fact, explain to us why there is such a thing as morals. While you're at it maybe you could explain why it is a baby in the hospital nursery will watch a pretty nurse longer than they will an average looking nurse.