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A criminal grand jury indicted the deputy in question. He is facing charges. The county just settled its second excessive use of force lawsuit involving the same deputy. The Sheriff is irate that anyone would question the absolute right of a deputy to criminally assault citizens with impunity. The grand jury saw it differently. Sorry sheriff!

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I know this will piss some people off, but folks who think homosexuality is perfectly moral conduct have no basis to condemn this shooting except on purely subjective and idiosyncratic moral grounds. Flame away!

Jordan

"Man is a social animal, and no one can secure what is desirable for himself except in partnership with others. According to Aristotle, if a man had all the health, wealth, freedom and power that he desired, but lacked friends, he would not even wish to live. But the root of all friendships, as it is the ground of the existence of the species, is that of a man and a woman. As nature is the ground of morality, the distinction of the sexes is the ground of nature. Nature---which forbids us to eat or enslave out own kind---is that which has within it the principle of coming-into-being. Mankind as a whole is recognized by its generations, like a river which is one and the same while the ever-renewed cycles of birth and death flow on. But the generations are constituted---and can only be constituted---by the acts of generation arising from the conjunction of male and female. The root of all human relationships, the root of all morality, is nature, which itself is grounded in the generative distinction of male and female.....Abraham Lincoln once said that if slavery is not unjust, then nothing is unjust. With equal reason it can be said that if homosexuality is not unnatural, nothing is unnatural. And if nothing is unnatural then nothing---including slavery and genocide---is unjust"

Harry V. Jaffa, Original Intent and the Framers of the Constitution: A Disputed Question.


There are a lot of sentences in this paragraph, and they all have words, but together they do not make a coherent argument. The problem comes with sentences like "But the root of all friendships, as it is the ground of the existence of the species, is that of a man and a woman". This is nonsense. The "root of all friendships" is not "that of a man and a woman", no matter what nonsense you use to tie the two phrases together. You might say that the root of friendships is mutual respect, or mutual interests or any number of things. You might also say that the coming together of a man and a woman is required for a new person to exist, and thus is a requirement in order for future friendships to occur, but this doesn't mean that any relationship between men is wrong. I could go on with the rest of your argument, but since this cornerstone of it is so badly incorrect I see no need.

Am I correct in thinking that you have identified yourself as a lawyer in this thread? If so then I am surprised that you aren't aware that the basis of the Western legal system is the Deontological ethical system (also the cornerstone of libertarian thinking). The fundamental principal of this ethical system is that your right to swing your fist ends where someone else's face begins (in layman's terms). Thus what two people may do consensually together, if it doesn't cause harm to others, is not something the courts should deal with. Killing people with guns on the other hand, is generally considered bad because it both causes harm to others and is not consensual. How you could miss something as basic as this in your multisyllabic attempts to justify your belief that there's nothing wrong with the murder of more than 50 people is almost mind blowing. But on the plus side for you, because your illogical rant doesn't cause direct harm to others, your right to say it is protected by the laws of the land, as are our rights to inform you of how poorly formed your argument is. This also answers for me the burning question of why there are so many foolish law suits filed every year.


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A criminal grand jury indicted the deputy in question. He is facing charges. The county just settled its second excessive use of force lawsuit involving the same deputy. The Sheriff is irate that anyone would question the absolute right of a deputy to criminally assault citizens with impunity. The grand jury saw it differently. Sorry sheriff!

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Always knew something was wrong with JF (aka RJ) now we know the whole truth, not surprised.

Jordan will get his this I'm sure of as for credibility around here he has none and this will stay with him for a long time.

No wonder Cali is so fugged up.

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Hello again to everyone,

A lot going on right now within your Sheriff's Office.

First I want to let the citizens of Modoc County know a few critical and very important things that you will not hear elsewhere. I have been very quiet on this subject for some time now, but enough is enough. My question to the people of Modoc County is just how long are you going to allow an unethical, untruthful, vindictive defense attorney pose as your District Attorney?????

Your DA has had an ax to grind against the Sheriff's Office since before our "We know what is best for you, so just sit down and shut up," board of supervisors appointed him to fill Chris Brooke's vacated position. He has particularly been focused on one specific employee as per his add in the paper, he is more than willing to accept anything he can get his hands on period, as long as it pertains to and is damaging to the Sheriff's Office specifically. He has not only dismissed serious criminal charges, but invited suspect/s to his home for a visit, provided them with evidence against them and encouraged them to file complaints per suspects own statements and surely to file law suits against the County and your Sheriff's Office, for all I know he has even referred them to attorneys that might be interested in suing the county. We in fact have been sued by the suspect in this case the county settled for nearly $100,000 dollars. An outside nationally recognized legal expert in this field of law was consulted, studied the case in great detail and rendered the opinion that there is no merit to the Colts claim and that no responsible county would have settled this case, but rather would have defended it with utmost zeal. These types of settlements only encourage further such claims at the expense of the county and create undue ill-conceived damage to the reputation of the Sheriff’s Office and the public servants involved. I have also been informed by numerous subjects that these are all things the DA believes necessary if he is to “Get the Sheriff”.

Investigations and records indicate that Jordan Funk has checked out inmates from the jail that he personally prosecuted and then under prior management checked them out of the Jail at $10.00 a day, so that he can pay them under the table to help construct and do work around his personal residence. He has written letters to the United States Attorney's Office that are not truthful; he has tried to extort the Sheriff's Office with quid pro quo correspondence. He has hired an Investigator contrary to County Code and Peace Officer Standards of Training guidelines, who is being paid by you the tax payers. This man’s job appears to be for the sole purpose of digging up any "dirt" he can find on the Sheriff, Sheriff's Office or its employees. This man has interviewed many, many people attempting to find some "chink in the armor" and he has threatened the Sheriff with obstruction of justice and arrest. God only knows how many citizens he has coerced or attempted to coerce derogatory statements from in order to attempt to satisfy the DA's personal dislike for the Sheriff and its employees. If you have been contacted by this so called DA investigator and feel that you have been unduly coerced or pressured to make statements against your will please contact the Sheriff’s Office.

Last week the DA summoned potential jurors from the registered voter rolls and selected a Criminal Grand Jury in an attempt to prosecute Deputy Nessling. This stemming from a case of Assault with intent to produce great bodily injury responded to by multiple agencies and investigated by the Sheriff’s Office, against a local career criminal, which occurred November of 2014. The DA has publicly put Deputy Nessling and his family through a living hell for some fifteen months now. Why? Because he has some preconceived dislike for him? Meanwhile accused murderers continue to sit in our dilapidated jail, child molesters, domestic violence cases, drug cases, elder abuse cases, assault cases are dropped or dismissed and criminals continue to walk the streets and recidivate. Cases are rejected, for reasons such as, "Not worth my time". Now don't get me wrong not every case warrants prosecution, but I believe we work for you the people, your crises becomes our crises. We try to never forget that if it is real enough for you to call we are going to show up and attempt to help with the situation. Every call has some citizen that is or at least truly feels like a victim. I could go on and on and on with this subject. I'm certain that most people have no idea of what is or has been occurring. If you have seen any of this or follow any of this in the local paper then you can be sure that unfortunately you only have one side. The California Legal Defense fund PORAC is monitoring any developments regarding Deputy Nessling and the DA’s actions related to these proceedings and is fully prepared to defend Deputy Nessling should this travesty actually proceed.

We have asked an outside law enforcement agency to initiate a criminal investigation of Jordan Funk regarding these incidents and allegations. Three law firms have agreed to file a complaint of prosecutorial misconduct and various other violations of the law with the California State Bar.

Moral around the Sheriff's Office is low; our patrol deputies are reluctant to do their job, for fear that our district attorney's dislike for the Sheriff's Office will lead to more unwarranted action against them. We have had several good people and deputies leave the Sheriff's Office and the county, certainly for several varying reasons to include low pay, short staffing. You should know that during exit interviews the one major common denominator is their lack of trust in our district attorney. It saddens me to now have to inform you that we are losing our Under-Sheriff Ken Richardson. Ken "Has had enough" Ken will be retiring and moving out of the State of California at the end of the month. Again the primary reason is an absolute lack of trust and or confidence in the district attorney. Some other major concerns of Ken's are a CAO and Board that has no concept nor concern for public safety or the loyal county servants that sacrifice day in and day out to help keep the people of Modoc County Safe. No confidence in State government, unconstitutional gun legislation. We write letters stating our disapproval of bill after bill after bill, authored by rogue legislators aimed at eroding your second amendment rights. We agree that none of these will do a thing to curb gun violence. Add federal government over reach and lack of coordination and several other issues certainly

That leaves yours truly to be the Sheriff, Under-Sheriff and Patrol Sergeant as of March first. Guess I will just move a bunk into my office. As I have stated several times in the recent past, “I am telling you all of this because, the pace we are working at is NOT SUSTAINABLE!”

Thanks for your continued support. Sorry for the rant, but it is high time you were made aware of what we have been putting up with on our end. Too bad we can’t tell the good guys from the bad guys anymore.
Mike


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We have asked an outside law enforcement agency to initiate a criminal investigation of Jordan Funk regarding these incidents and allegations. Three law firms have agreed to file a complaint of prosecutorial misconduct and various other violations of the law with the California State Bar.


Apechit crazy to start with,...THIS is what's pushing Jordan completely 'round the bend, now.

Anybody forwarded the trash he posts here over to that S.O. ?

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We have asked an outside law enforcement agency to initiate a criminal investigation of Jordan Funk regarding these incidents and allegations. Three law firms have agreed to file a complaint of prosecutorial misconduct and various other violations of the law with the California State Bar.


Apechit crazy to start with,...THIS is what's pushing Jordan completely 'round the bend, now.

Anybody forwarded the trash he posts here over to that S.O. ?

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A criminal grand jury indicted the deputy in question---following the counties second settled lawsuit. Any sane sheriff would understand the problem. Ours is arguably not sane.


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Originally Posted by RobJordan
Ours is arguably not sane.


You saying that is like the blind leading the blind.

Good luck I have a feeling you won't be a DA for much longer.


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Maybe there is payback on earth for Debauchery.Did not God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for the sins of the wicked and depraved??That was a warning to the Sinners and maybe this is also.


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I'll second that. Huntz's comment is one of most moronic things posted on this site.



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RJ seems to be a first class retard, but he's never struck me as dishonest. If the SO is guilty, they're guilty. If he is guilty of misconduct, I'm sure he will get his.

All I can say is, I'm happy I don't live in Modoc county.


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Originally Posted by MadMooner
RJ seems to be a first class retard, but he's never struck me as dishonest. If the SO is guilty, they're guilty. If he is guilty of misconduct, I'm sure he will get his.

All I can say is, I'm happy I don't live in Modoc county.


County DA is a SALARIED position, Mooner.

NOTHING vaguely DISHONEST about spending the bulk of his time posting weird political rants here, day in, day out ?

I doubt his contract includes that in a list of his duties, also doubt the Modoc County taxpayers had that in mind.

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I don't track when he posts.

Certainly some of his posts would raise more than the eyebrow of a defense attorney.

I'd bet a dollar to a donut that if he gets canned, it will be for surfing gay porn on his work computer.

So yes. You are correct, sir. That would be pilfering the funds and trust of his constituents.


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I certainly don't think homosexual behavior is moral, but I recognize that there are many aspects of heterosexual behavior that also isn't moral. My beliefs about homosexuality in no way condone hurting or killing them. I don't rejoice when fellow citizens are hurt, killed or deprived of their constitutional rights. If your allegiance is to ISIS or radical Islam you are NOT a fellow citizen, you are scum deserving of an excruciating death and swift judgement.

The sins of us all will be answered for on judgement day. Black, white, straight and gay we have the RIGHT to live our life in peace.


actually, we don't have, as Americans, a "right" to live our life in peace at all.
We have been privileged to live in peace, because previous American Presidents went to war, to secure that privilege. Millions of Americans fought, and hundreds of thousands of them died, to secure that privilege.



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Nothing will happen to RJ, he's in California and probably only joined this site to try and sniff out site members in his county that he can have raided.

Lets focus on the GOOD news.

This mass murder plays into the Trump narrative and further makes Obama and Hillary look like "Chamberlin"s.

Trump now needs to name his cabinet: Kasich, Rice, Bolton, McCain, Carson, Christie and so on. You won't like them all but none are dolts and Hillary cannot do the same as her party is so divided.

Trump needs to start trotting out all the women, blacks, hispanics, gays etc. that he employs, drawing a stark contrast to Hillary who has never created a real job.

Dare we hope for more of the same from our "integrated" Muslims ?

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Well, based on the OP, if there was to be such a thing as homosexual sex in nature, would that kinda shoot the whole original argument to schit?

Stuff like this reminds me that some people NEED rules, hard and fast rules, to be able to live their lives comfortably. I can only surmise that they do not feel they are able to come to conclusions of their own, and must be able to shift that responsibility to someone else, who they can then point to and say "I was doing what I was told".

Common sense goes a long way, however rarely its used. If someone is doing something I find distasteful but isn't harming anyone but themselves, common sense tells me to leave them to it and move the hell on with my life.

If I understand the OP correctly, the position is that if you don't condemn homo's then you can't condemn mass murder.I don't particularly care what anyone had to say about it, to me common sense tells me one act is at most harmful only to the willing participants while the other harms a bunch of innocent, non-willing participants. No need to make it any more complicated than that.

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Originally Posted by RobJordan
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I know this will piss some people off, but folks who think homosexuality is perfectly moral conduct have no basis to condemn this shooting except on purely subjective and idiosyncratic moral grounds. Flame away!

Jordan

"Man is a social animal, and no one can secure what is desirable for himself except in partnership with others. According to Aristotle, if a man had all the health, wealth, freedom and power that he desired, but lacked friends, he would not even wish to live. But the root of all friendships, as it is the ground of the existence of the species, is that of a man and a woman. As nature is the ground of morality, the distinction of the sexes is the ground of nature. Nature---which forbids us to eat or enslave out own kind---is that which has within it the principle of coming-into-being. Mankind as a whole is recognized by its generations, like a river which is one and the same while the ever-renewed cycles of birth and death flow on. But the generations are constituted---and can only be constituted---by the acts of generation arising from the conjunction of male and female. The root of all human relationships, the root of all morality, is nature, which itself is grounded in the generative distinction of male and female.....Abraham Lincoln once said that if slavery is not unjust, then nothing is unjust. With equal reason it can be said that if homosexuality is not unnatural, nothing is unnatural. And if nothing is unnatural then nothing---including slavery and genocide---is unjust"

Harry V. Jaffa, Original Intent and the Framers of the Constitution: A Disputed Question.


There are a lot of sentences in this paragraph, and they all have words, but together they do not make a coherent argument. The problem comes with sentences like "But the root of all friendships, as it is the ground of the existence of the species, is that of a man and a woman". This is nonsense. The "root of all friendships" is not "that of a man and a woman", no matter what nonsense you use to tie the two phrases together. You might say that the root of friendships is mutual respect, or mutual interests or any number of things. You might also say that the coming together of a man and a woman is required for a new person to exist, and thus is a requirement in order for future friendships to occur, but this doesn't mean that any relationship between men is wrong. I could go on with the rest of your argument, but since this cornerstone of it is so badly incorrect I see no need.

Am I correct in thinking that you have identified yourself as a lawyer in this thread? If so then I am surprised that you aren't aware that the basis of the Western legal system is the Deontological ethical system (also the cornerstone of libertarian thinking). The fundamental principal of this ethical system is that your right to swing your fist ends where someone else's face begins (in layman's terms). Thus what two people may do consensually together, if it doesn't cause harm to others, is not something the courts should deal with. Killing people with guns on the other hand, is generally considered bad because it both causes harm to others and is not consensual. How you could miss something as basic as this in your multisyllabic attempts to justify your belief that there's nothing wrong with the murder of more than 50 people is almost mind blowing. But on the plus side for you, because your illogical rant doesn't cause direct harm to others, your right to say it is protected by the laws of the land, as are our rights to inform you of how poorly formed your argument is. This also answers for me the burning question of why there are so many foolish law suits filed every year.


Nowhere have I said or implied that the murders in Orlando were anything but wrong. Quite the opposite: what I have argued is that on the premises of the homosexual rights movement those murders can only be criticized on idiosyncratic (subjective) grounds and impliedly asked "is this what we as a society want?

The meaning of the statement "but the root of all friendship, as it is the ground of the existence of the species, is that of a man and a woman" is self-evident. You and I exist in virtue of having a mother and father who themselves had a mother and a father and so on and so on. Human friendship---as with human existence itself---is ultimately the product of that first sexual friendship between a man and a woman. The homosexual rights movement denies that there is any meaning to be drawn from these facts. Likewise, they deny there is anything meaningful to be drawn from the distinction between the human and the non-human. Jaffa's argument (like Jefferson before him) is that nature and the law that is in nature are the rational ground of all moral distinctions. Nature, which has within it the principle of "coming-into-being", is constituted in and by the generative distinction between male and female. If nature and the law that is within nature condemn slavery and genocide (for example) then surely they equally condemn homosexuality because the distinction in nature between male and female is even more fundamental than the distinction between the human and the non-human.

You are not correct in thinking I have identified myself as a lawyer. Others have, though it happens to be true. Let us then deal with your condescending (and utterly ill-informed) notion that law school teaches anything about the basis of the western legal system. It emphatically does not. (There might be a course on the matter available at some schools. I would be shocked if it is part of the general law school curriculum.) That's supposed to be the product of a liberal education. Did you not know that?

Your invocation of deontology is analytically silly and unavailing. In the first place, the fundamental principle of American law is not that whatever two people consent to is just and proper. Quite the opposite, Jefferson made clear in the Declaration of Independence that only "the just laws" are derived from the consent of the governed. Consent as such cannot justify that which is intrinsically immoral. Virtually everything Jefferson wrote speaks to his believe in a non-relative normative system that consent cannot properly contravene and in that vein, condemnation of homosexuality is consistent throughout western civilization since at least Plato. Jefferson in fact wrote a criminal code for the Commonwealth of Virginia making it a felony punishable by castration. Whether we should so regard it today is certainly open to question, but apparently questioning this new morality---the morality of immorality is not open to question. Jefferson would be surprised at that, but apparently he too was ignorant of your "deontology". crazy laugh

You are obviously quite proud of yourself for learning that big word (deontology) but virtually everything you assert in your thread is incorrect. Nowhere have I justified or tried to justify the murder of innocent homosexuals in Orlando. I have done exactly the opposite. The American legal system is emphatically not grounded in the notion that consent justifies anything and everything so long as only the consenting parties are affected.

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I certainly don't think homosexual behavior is moral, but I recognize that there are many aspects of heterosexual behavior that also isn't moral. My beliefs about homosexuality in no way condone hurting or killing them. I don't rejoice when fellow citizens are hurt, killed or deprived of their constitutional rights. If your allegiance is to ISIS or radical Islam you are NOT a fellow citizen, you are scum deserving of an excruciating death and swift judgement.

The sins of us all will be answered for on judgement day. Black, white, straight and gay we have the RIGHT to live our life in peace.


actually, we don't have, as Americans, a "right" to live our life in peace at all.
We have been privileged to live in peace, because previous American Presidents went to war, to secure that privilege. Millions of Americans fought, and hundreds of thousands of them died, to secure that privilege.



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We have asked an outside law enforcement agency to initiate a criminal investigation of Jordan Funk regarding these incidents and allegations. Three law firms have agreed to file a complaint of prosecutorial misconduct and various other violations of the law with the California State Bar.


Apechit crazy to start with,...THIS is what's pushing Jordan completely 'round the bend, now.

Anybody forwarded the trash he posts here over to that S.O. ?

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Hey, you're a big shot here. WHY don't YOU do it ?

BTW you're still attributing that quote to Twain who never said it.


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If what the OP says is so, then the lifestyle is not to blame so much as the society that allows it to become so openly accepted.


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Originally Posted by crossfireoops
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We have asked an outside law enforcement agency to initiate a criminal investigation of Jordan Funk regarding these incidents and allegations. Three law firms have agreed to file a complaint of prosecutorial misconduct and various other violations of the law with the California State Bar.


Apechit crazy to start with,...THIS is what's pushing Jordan completely 'round the bend, now.

Anybody forwarded the trash he posts here over to that S.O. ?

GTC


Hey Jordan, can you send us the Email addresses of the city council please.


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Originally Posted by RobJordan
The quote is by Harry Jaffa. Your argument is not with me, it is with Thomas Jefferson, with the rest of the Founders, with Aristotle, Plato, Thomas Aquinas and ultimately with nature itself.

The point is not to condone or fail to condemn the shooting. But rest assured, the homosexual rights movement will hijack this tragedy and use it for their own (no good) political end, including gun control. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that on the premises of the homosexual rights movement, homosexuals and their apologists have no principled basis to condemn the shooting. Their own "morality" (their rejection of the laws of nature) essentially says its okay. That is the point of the Jaffa quote and all the name-calling in the world doesn't change the truth encapsulated in what Jaffa wrote.

Jordan


What, like you are doing you miserable prick of a thing...fellow citizens of yours are dead and you are waving a f cking bible and condemning the victims.

You truly are the biggest prick on these fora.


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