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I was planning on a build for a .223ai to shoot 3-600yds-ish with but I just found out my varmint AR15 does a lot better than I would have thought at 600 with 55gr V-Max. So now my mind has brought me to a FAST .224. I've heard of a few that have build the 22 Creedmoor (Horizon seems to like them) and thought it would be cool since I already have a 6.5 CM. **Maybe a 6 CM in the future for a whole family of them.** Does anybody have much experience, thoughts, barrel life? Any info will do. ... and no, I don't want a 22-250ai since I'm going for the Creedmoor Brady Bunch. Thanks!
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What is the difference between the 22 Creedmoor and the 22-250AI, other than the shoulder geometry?
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Case capacity is closer to 22-243.
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600 in the wind with a 55 out of 223 AI and you ain't gonna be happy, but I digress..
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I've got a GAP 22 CM in the vault. Have not taken her for a spin yet. Be prepared to spend $200 plus on a set of dies and another $150 on neck turning equipment.
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I've got a GAP 22 CM in the vault. Have not taken her for a spin yet. Be prepared to spend $200 plus on a set of dies and another $150 on neck turning equipment. Curious to know more info on your rig... Specifically why you need to turn necks and what dies you bought for $200+.
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neck turning is generally required for best accuracy if that matters to folks.
Custom dies are never cheap. Especially match related, and neck/fl shoulder bump neck bushing dies and bushings.. Again if you are concerned with accuracy.
If you are just buying loaded ammo from a store or off the net etc....then generally speaking, you aren't concerned with top accuracy.
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There are at least five in this part of the world. The guys who own them increase the powder charges until a primer blows and then back off .5 to 1.0 grains. They are getting really high velocities. At least, with the 22-250 AI, you could use Lapua cases and there is laboratory pressure tested data. I doubt there is much to be gained with the CM based case. Actually, with Lapua cases I would wager the AI will outperform the 22CM. Whatever makes you happy...it is a vanity...not performance.
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I've got a GAP 22 CM in the vault. Have not taken her for a spin yet. Be prepared to spend $200 plus on a set of dies and another $150 on neck turning equipment. Curious to know more info on your rig... Specifically why you need to turn necks and what dies you bought for $200+. Mine's basically an Extreme Hunter, chambered in 22 CM. In order to properly size 6CM cases, your need a 22 CM custom FL die from Whidden. Add the seater and your well over $200. You will need to turn the necks to avoid a donut forming. Costs vary, but a decent expander die, turning tool and mandrel will cost $150 on up.
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There are at least five in this part of the world. The guys who own them increase the powder charges until a primer blows and then back off .5 to 1.0 grains. They are getting really high velocities. At least, with the 22-250 AI, you could use Lapua cases and there is laboratory pressure tested data. I doubt there is much to be gained with the CM based case. Actually, with Lapua cases I would wager the AI will outperform the 22CM. Whatever makes you happy...it is a vanity...not performance. Why couldn't you use 22-250 Lapua brass to fireform 22CM? David
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Are you dead set on a 22? I only ask because a 6 Creed or 243 or any other number of similar cartridges will easily shoot 55gr varmint bullets over 4k fps. You then have at the same time something that will also suffice on deer, antelope, etc.
TBH, I have a 28" 243 that shoots the 55 BTip 4150fps easily. Crazy accurate too..
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I spoke with Josh Lappin from Copper Creek Cartridge and he gave me a quote of 1000-1500 on barrel life and also spoke with Horizon firearms and he gave me a quote of 1700-2300 barrel life.
If it was the later of the 2 I would go ahead and build the 22CM but I'd be pretty upset if I only got 1000 rounds down the tube so I'll either build a 223ai or a 6mm Creedmoor.
Sure would be cool to have a 22CM, 6CM, & a 6.5CM though!
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I spoke with Josh Lappin from Copper Creek Cartridge and he gave me a quote of 1000-1500 on barrel life and also spoke with Horizon firearms and he gave me a quote of 1700-2300 barrel life.
If it was the later of the 2 I would go ahead and build the 22CM but I'd be pretty upset if I only got 1000 rounds down the tube so I'll either build a 223ai or a 6mm Creedmoor.
Sure would be cool to have a 22CM, 6CM, & a 6.5CM though! Josh Lapin is definitely someone that can guide you in the right direction. He has a ton of knowledge and first hand experience with all things Creedmoor... Not to mention he makes some awesome ammunition!
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Sure would be cool to have a 22CM, 6CM, & a 6.5CM though!
How about a switch barrel or even a Remage lug nut set up for all three? Shilen has a sweet deal on DGA (Stiller) actions set up this way. Not sure how many calibers you can go but a single bushing neck die would work for the .224 & 6mm version. Not sure if you could go all the way to 6.5 mm with a single die body and appropriate bushings for each, worth a call to Foster or Whidden.
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So, let me see if I'm getting this...
The 250 Savage was necked down to 22 caliber and the 22-250/22-250AI was born.
Then later in life somebody necked the 22-250 up to 6.5 to create the 6.5 Creed.
And now, we're going to neck the 6.5 down to 22 caliber so we can make a 22 Creed?
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deflave you forgot the 25 Creedmore.
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I'm kicking around the idea of necking a .308 down to 6mm.
What do you guys think?
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