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If this misdemeanor conviction can lead to gun rights loss, what will the next minor offence be that does the same. Won't be long rest assured. Supreme Court Rules Domestic Abusers Can Lose Their Gun-Ownership Rights
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled today in a 6-2 vote that domestic abusers convicted of misdemeanors can be barred from owning firearms.
The majority opinion, written by Justice Elena Kagan, concludes that misdemeanor assault convictions for domestic violence are sufficient to invoke a federal ban on firearms possession.
The plaintiffs in this case, Stephen Voisine and William Armstrong, both of Maine, had pleaded guilty in state court to misdemeanor assault charges after slapping or shoving their romantic partners. Several years later, each man was found to have firearms and ammunition in their possession in violation of a federal law affecting convicted domestic abusers.
The Two-Way
Supreme Court Throws Out Former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's Conviction Both argued that the weapons ban should not apply to them because their misdemeanor cases were for "reckless conduct" rather than intentional abuse.
Their appeal had been rejected by the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, but the plaintiffs carried it on to the Supreme Court, which agreed to hear it. Five justices concurred in Kagan's opinion, while Justice Clarence Thomas dissented and Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissented in part.
Similar domestic abuse laws are now on the books in 34 states and the District of Columbia, triggering the federal weapons ban. But if the Supreme Court had ruled the other way today, that ban would no longer have applied in such cases.
The case, Voisine v. United States, had attracted attention in recent days because Congress has been in turmoil over efforts to tighten controls on firearms — especially to limit the number of people who can buy guns despite their past actions.
When argued in open court on Feb. 29, the case drew attention because Thomas asked questions in oral argument for the first time in a decade. He drew gasps when he asked several questions from the bench.
Thomas had asked the attorney defending the conviction of the two men whether any other misdemeanor conviction could cause a defendant the loss of "a constitutional right." Thomas has been known as a staunch defender of the Second Amendment guarantee of a right "to keep and bear arms."
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Wrong time for them fellas to try that case with the political wind blowing as it is. No surprise the SCOTUS agreed to hear it. I bet the libs figured they could score a couple "conservative" judges and get it ruled in favor of communism.
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Obviously "Gun Rights" is not a right, but a privilege easily taken away, about like a drivers license.
No one likes people that beat their partners, but the precedent set is a open door to other similar restrictions.
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If this misdemeanor conviction can lead to gun rights loss, what will the next minor offence be that does the same. Won't be long rest assured. Supreme Court Rules Domestic Abusers Can Lose Their Gun-Ownership Rights
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled today in a 6-2 vote that domestic abusers convicted of misdemeanors can be barred from owning firearms.
The majority opinion, written by Justice Elena Kagan, concludes that misdemeanor assault convictions for domestic violence are sufficient to invoke a federal ban on firearms possession.
The plaintiffs in this case, Stephen Voisine and William Armstrong, both of Maine, had pleaded guilty in state court to misdemeanor assault charges after slapping or shoving their romantic partners. Several years later, each man was found to have firearms and ammunition in their possession in violation of a federal law affecting convicted domestic abusers.
The Two-Way
Supreme Court Throws Out Former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's Conviction Both argued that the weapons ban should not apply to them because their misdemeanor cases were for "reckless conduct" rather than intentional abuse.
Their appeal had been rejected by the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, but the plaintiffs carried it on to the Supreme Court, which agreed to hear it. Five justices concurred in Kagan's opinion, while Justice Clarence Thomas dissented and Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissented in part.
Similar domestic abuse laws are now on the books in 34 states and the District of Columbia, triggering the federal weapons ban. But if the Supreme Court had ruled the other way today, that ban would no longer have applied in such cases.
The case, Voisine v. United States, had attracted attention in recent days because Congress has been in turmoil over efforts to tighten controls on firearms — especially to limit the number of people who can buy guns despite their past actions.
When argued in open court on Feb. 29, the case drew attention because Thomas asked questions in oral argument for the first time in a decade. He drew gasps when he asked several questions from the bench.
Thomas had asked the attorney defending the conviction of the two men whether any other misdemeanor conviction could cause a defendant the loss of "a constitutional right." Thomas has been known as a staunch defender of the Second Amendment guarantee of a right "to keep and bear arms."
this ruling just solved the Muslim owning guns problem
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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So in other words, nothing has changed. That became the law back when Bubba Clinton signed it with his little pen. Used to love hearing him brag about putting 100,000 new cops on the job, but nobody would mention the fact that he took 400,000(cops, corrections officers, armed guards, etc) OFF the job with that one signature...........
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Some dumb S@#! that beats his wife and or kids should have a lot more taken away from him than his gun. They should cut of his nuts too !!!! No problem here with the ruling.
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Some dumb S@#! that beats his wife and or kids should have a lot more taken away from him than his gun. They should cut of his nuts too !!!! No problem here with the ruling. You obviously have no idea how domestic violence cases are handled.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Well, they can get one on the "black market" anyway, there are so many out there. Or so the logic goes
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Some dumb S@#! that beats his wife and or kids should have a lot more taken away from him than his gun. They should cut of his nuts too !!!! No problem here with the ruling. I agree 100%! I never could understand that class of people!
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Of all the people charged with domestic violence in this country, I'd guess 1% (or less) are what you imagine when you think "wife beater".
This decision should scare the living daylights out of every man in the country.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Some dumb S@#! that beats his wife and or kids should have a lot more taken away from him than his gun. They should cut of his nuts too !!!! No problem here with the ruling. Yeah...he must have really beat the schitt out of her to have earned a misdemeanor charge... Domestic violence could be the charge if someone thinks you spanked your child too hard...
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Of all the people charged with domestic violence in this country, I'd guess 1% (or less) are what you imagine when you think "wife beater".
If the offence warrants I,t a felony can and will be charged
This decision should scare the living daylights out of every man in the country. And woman, if a wife slaps her husband, or one lesbo pushes her partner, and the cops come, they can lose the right to bear arms. Unless I am mistaken, if LE is called in some states for a domestic, some one is going to jail, is pretty much the law as written.
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Some dumb S@#! that beats his wife and or kids should have a lot more taken away from him than his gun. They should cut of his nuts too !!!! No problem here with the ruling. If the offence warrants it, a felony can and will be charged.
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Two of my brothers are retired cops. One spent a ton of time in the courts where he saw guys get f u c k e d over daily from lying b i t c h wives every day on bogus domestic violence charges.... I might think differently if I not had their influence..
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Domestic charges (atleast here) also would apply if you got into a fight with your brother, or anyone else living in the same house (think roomate)
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It most definitely should and does. Of all the people charged with domestic violence in this country, I'd guess 1% (or less) are what you imagine when you think "wife beater".
This decision should scare the living daylights out of every man in the country.
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Of all the people charged with domestic violence in this country, I'd guess 1% (or less) are what you imagine when you think "wife beater".
This decision should scare the living daylights out of every man in the country. Pretty much just an accusation gets the job done. Kinda the same as being put on the watch list. Not much "due process" involved.
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Terrible decision.
And surprising disdain being shown, here, for our constitution and our rights.
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Sold out by Roberts, Kennedy, and Alito. Again.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Domestic charges (atleast here) also would apply if you got into a fight with your brother, or anyone else living in the same house (think roomate) Here, it even includes prior roommates. Get drunk and punch your college roommate five years after you graduate? Technically, that's family violence.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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