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What this really means is about 50% on the fire will no longer be able to own a gun! 6-2....Ouch!
Sorry Brissssssletow
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Domestic charges (atleast here) also would apply if you got into a fight with your brother, or anyone else living in the same house (think roomate) Here, it even includes prior roommates. Get drunk and punch your college roommate five years after you graduate? Technically, that's family violence. All for a misdemeanor. Thomas was right - find ANY other Constitutionally protected, enumerated right you can lose for a mere misdemeanor. There are none. We've been sold out, wholesale, by the supposed R "conservative" Justices.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Domestic charges (atleast here) also would apply if you got into a fight with your brother, or anyone else living in the same house (think roomate) Here, it even includes prior roommates. Get drunk and punch your college roommate five years after you graduate? Technically, that's family violence. That's insane.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Nibble, nibble, nibble, that is how they will get the guns.
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
Old cat turd!
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I am too old to fight but I can still pull a trigger. ~ Me
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Obviously "Gun Rights" is not a right, but a privilege easily taken away, about like a drivers license.
No one likes people that beat their partners, but the precedent set is a open door to other similar restrictions. This. Bad mojo. The Trump Supreme Court will overturn it. Stare Decisis isn't absolute when the departure from original intent is this aggregious.
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Nibble, nibble, nibble, that is how they will get the guns. That's it exactly. The Lautenberg Amendment was just taken from a piranha to a shark. It will be expanded yet again - rest assured - to include any "reckless or violent misdemeanor" assault. Considering that such charges are now routine in many places for simple schoolyard scuffles, many will lose their 2A RTKBA in years to come before they ever reach the age of majority. Couple this with the "slave state" strategy of Bloomberg's that I detailed here several years back, and the 2A is on life support at this moment, and there won't be many - if any - around to fight for it in one, perhaps two, generations - nor even remember why. The "conservatives" on the SCOTUS, in Congress, in state houses, have sold us out. Their thirty pieces of silver will be tainted with the blood of millions. Such is the lesson of history.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Obviously "Gun Rights" is not a right, but a privilege easily taken away, about like a drivers license.
No one likes people that beat their partners, but the precedent set is a open door to other similar restrictions. This. Bad mojo. The Trump Supreme Court will overturn it. Stare Decisis isn't absolute when the departure from original intent is this aggregious. 6-2. Even Sotomayor's dissent didn't back the 2A. Trump would have to replace Scalia, Kennedy, Roberts, Ginsburg, and Alito - and then hope that they all actually backed the rights of the people. Fat chance.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Of all the people charged with domestic violence in this country, I'd guess 1% (or less) are what you imagine when you think "wife beater".
This decision should scare the living daylights out of every man in the country. Yes it should because the domestic cases sure ain't what you expect them to be for sure. And in the end there is no way to prove anything often.. But if you DO beat your wife or girlfriend, you should not own a gun. There is a huge gray area in there though...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Of all the people charged with domestic violence in this country, I'd guess 1% (or less) are what you imagine when you think "wife beater".
This decision should scare the living daylights out of every man in the country. Yes it should because the domestic cases sure ain't what you expect them to be for sure. And in the end there is no way to prove anything often.. But if you DO beat your wife or girlfriend, you should not own a gun. There is a huge gray area in there though... Charge them with and convict them of a felony. That's how Constitutional rights are lost. Misdemeanors? GMAFB.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Of all the people charged with domestic violence in this country, I'd guess 1% (or less) are what you imagine when you think "wife beater".
This decision should scare the living daylights out of every man in the country. I agree. All it takes is 1 teenage kid with a grudge to put the screws to some poor father or mother. Some of these guys don't get it and haven't had to deal with this situation. Parents have their hands tied in most situations and having to deal with a real handful of a teenager with oppositional defiant issues, could be the end of their gun rights. Just sayin...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Two of my brothers are retired cops. One spent a ton of time in the courts where he saw guys get f u c k e d over daily from lying b i t c h wives every day on bogus domestic violence charges.... I might think differently if I not had their influence.. Good post.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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This. Bad mojo. The Trump Supreme Court will overturn it. Stare Decisis isn't absolute when the departure from original intent is this aggregious. The Vote was 6-2!!! There are 4 solid conservatives on the SC right now but only 2 voted against it? Not going to happen even if Trump were to win. Keep in mind even if Trump wins he is on record supporting gun control. Trump's 2000 Position on gun control... "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."
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And this is being pushed by the same gang that thinks all felons should be allowed to vote after their prison sentence.
It is a pick and choose game. The thing is nowadays, they do not even attempt to hide it.
"...aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one." - Paul to the church in Thessalonica.
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If this misdemeanor conviction can lead to gun rights loss, what will the next minor offence be that does the same. Won't be long rest assured. Supreme Court Rules Domestic Abusers Can Lose Their Gun-Ownership Rights
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled today in a 6-2 vote that domestic abusers convicted of misdemeanors can be barred from owning firearms.
The majority opinion, written by Justice Elena Kagan, concludes that misdemeanor assault convictions for domestic violence are sufficient to invoke a federal ban on firearms possession.
The plaintiffs in this case, Stephen Voisine and William Armstrong, both of Maine, had pleaded guilty in state court to misdemeanor assault charges after slapping or shoving their romantic partners. Several years later, each man was found to have firearms and ammunition in their possession in violation of a federal law affecting convicted domestic abusers.
The Two-Way
Supreme Court Throws Out Former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's Conviction Both argued that the weapons ban should not apply to them because their misdemeanor cases were for "reckless conduct" rather than intentional abuse.
Their appeal had been rejected by the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, but the plaintiffs carried it on to the Supreme Court, which agreed to hear it. Five justices concurred in Kagan's opinion, while Justice Clarence Thomas dissented and Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissented in part.
Similar domestic abuse laws are now on the books in 34 states and the District of Columbia, triggering the federal weapons ban. But if the Supreme Court had ruled the other way today, that ban would no longer have applied in such cases.
The case, Voisine v. United States, had attracted attention in recent days because Congress has been in turmoil over efforts to tighten controls on firearms — especially to limit the number of people who can buy guns despite their past actions.
When argued in open court on Feb. 29, the case drew attention because Thomas asked questions in oral argument for the first time in a decade. He drew gasps when he asked several questions from the bench.
Thomas had asked the attorney defending the conviction of the two men whether any other misdemeanor conviction could cause a defendant the loss of "a constitutional right." Thomas has been known as a staunch defender of the Second Amendment guarantee of a right "to keep and bear arms."
No huge loss - its been the law for quite a few years - aka the Lautenberg Amendment. Its question 11i on the 4473 Form. Surprised at the lack of knowledge here.
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Crazy women need protection from fed up men.
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And this is being pushed by the same gang that thinks all felons should be allowed to vote after their prison sentence.
It is a pick and choose game. The thing is nowadays, they do not even attempt to hide it. Lets keep in mind the GOP wants to allow people who are on the suspected Terror Watch List to be able to buy an AK or .45 but you guys who got drunk and smacked you wife around a little are screwed! Life is funny some times. Who were the 2 conservatives on the SC who voted for it?
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this ruling just solved the Muslim owning guns problem
Bullsh*t... ....there has always been a double standard for the goat humpers and this won't be any different...for the same reason you don't hear sh*t out of feminists when it comes to Muslims and female genital mutilation. Hypocrisy and crickets from the scumbags.
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And this is being pushed by the same gang that thinks all felons should be allowed to vote after their prison sentence.
It is a pick and choose game. The thing is nowadays, they do not even attempt to hide it. Lets keep in mind the GOP wants to allow people who are on the suspected Terror Watch List to be able to buy an AK or .45 but you guys who got drunk and smacked you wife around a little are screwed! Life is funny some times. Who were the 2 conservatives on the SC who voted for it? Um, no. The GOP is at least asking for Due Process, where the accused is allowed to know of the charges and mount a defense. It's one of those silly things in the Constitution, you know.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Of all the people charged with domestic violence in this country, I'd guess 1% (or less) are what you imagine when you think "wife beater".
This decision should scare the living daylights out of every man in the country. Yes it should because the domestic cases sure ain't what you expect them to be for sure. And in the end there is no way to prove anything often.. But if you DO beat your wife or girlfriend, you should not own a gun. There is a huge gray area in there though... Charge them with and convict them of a felony. That's how Constitutional rights are lost. Misdemeanors? GMAFB. The Lautenberg amendment was the camel's nose under the tent, this was the camel coming completely into the tent. It's insane that a right could be taken after a misdemeanor conviction. If it's serious enough to deprive someone of their rights then it's serious enough to be a felony.
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The Vote was 6-2!!! There are 4 solid conservatives on the SC right now but only 2 voted against it? Not going to happen even if Trump were to win. Keep in mind even if Trump wins he is on record supporting gun control.
Trump's 2000 Position on gun control...
"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."
Why should anyone here g.a.f. what you think? You are on a pro-gun, pro-freedom site and you support more gov't and anti-gun, anti-freedom creeps like Obama and Clinton. Crawl back into your progressive hole with your other socialist minions...
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