Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Best Defense of Southern Secession I have ever read.

It's interesting to speculate. Who knows what would have happened if WWI had not started in the first place. We can be reasonably certain had the US remained neutral, there would have been an Armistice, but what compromises? Alsace-Lorraine? The Balkans? And there is of course the issue of Palestine and the ME. The permutations are endless.

Well said!

If kidnapping a man away from his home and family and selling him aren't sins then nothing is.

If me and my ancestors for the last 150 years had been pandered to and handed as much free schitt as slaves and their descendants have, I wouldn't be butt hurt about anything......and they're still whining en masse in a pitch so high that, with any luck, soon only dogs will be able to hear it.

So all the Confederates did this?

The Arabs did most of the kidnapping and selling....why the indigenous peoples of Africa refused to fight against their would-be captors is beyond me. They basically allowed themselves to be enslaved...which is in line with the history of the world.

Some tribes were noticeably absent...you didn't see a Masai or Nandi enslaved....that would have resulted in Arab Kabob on their spears...

You'd like to think you wouldn't be, based on the work ethic and values you now hold, but being handed free chit and pandered to robs people of that ethic and values. That was the democrats choice and it's served them well, as it's gutted America.

Thank You. The truth of how slavery came about is lost on most Yankees.

Their captors had guns.

The Africans were a superior civilization, ax any black activist or the current president.

I'm almost tired of hearing the broad brush of slavery painted on every Confederate soldier.

Was freeing the slaves Lincoln's only reason for invading the south?

Was freeing the slaves the reason southern homes burned?


There's always - ALWAYS - more to the story, and the truth lies somewhere other than the story line.

And I'm afraid I can't accept that the whole country would have been worse off separated as I can that we are better off, right now, united.

Anyway, another academic discussion...

The buyers are complicit and as guilty as the sellers. Any court of law shows this to be the case.

It was an incredibly stupid war that destroyed the old order. From it came the Soviet Union and international communism, the NAZIs and everything after. Without that war, our world would be almost unrecognizable. I'm convinced that when future historians write the history of western civilization, they'll say WWI killed it. If I had to pick a period in history that today is like, I would say we are about 550 AD in Rome. The empire actually fell 80 years before, but there was still a barbarian who styled himself as emperor. There was still a Senate. There were still occasional games in the Colisseum. No one really realized that it was already finished. It wasn't until much later that historians looked back and said "470 was the end of the empire."

And as for America involvement in that stupid war, we did nothing but prolong it and cause its effects to be worse in the end.

Yup.

Lincoln's primary reason for the war was to prevent states from leaving the U.S., ie; exerting more federal control, no states rights............how's that federal control working for you today? everybody happy?

Slavery was just lip service reason of convenience & another excuse for justifying the war because of secession.

MM

You are simply another northern transplant that moved south that doesn't know our history or respect our culture. You look down your nose at us while proclaiming your moral superiority and wonder why we all hate you.

You mean this is the south? Every other person seems to be an Ohian. I was a Civil War reenactor. I might know a little about the circumstances leading up to the war.

You're a carpetbagger.

There goes that superior attitude, can't stop yourself.

Yep.

As has been said time and again, secession was a right reserved BY the states in their votes to joint the US and reserved TO the states by the Constitution. Slavery was Constitutional, and the way to change that is via an Amendment. The actions of the Southern states were Constitutional and legal. The actions by Lincoln and the Feds were neither.

All else fails against those facts.