Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Best Defense of Southern Secession I have ever read.

Maybe except on here. I've never seen anything else occur but the topic broached by those from the South or sympathetic to the Southern version of events. And quite often, too. And it always plays out exactly the same: drone on and on with the same posters and same perspectives, until others of an opposing view get tired of it and begin chiming in. Then the butthurt starts and it drags out for far too long. As I live and breathe!

The thing that always got me is HOW FU(KING stupid Yankees are.

They are the LAZY bastards. Got off the boat and said, we ain't going anywhere and they let all the BRAVE men go west and south to claim more for YANKEES.

That's why when Yankees like Pugs and Moose, pound on their chests, it's never not funny.

I can't tell you how many go times I've seen conservative Yankees on the 'Fire and from RURAL areas proclaim how AR15's and hi capacity mags should be banned.

For all you self righteous Christian Yankees the Bible doesn't condemn owning slaves,...

lol

Many pro-slavery 'Christians' actually used this position to justify their agenda.

Man, there's a lotta bad things in history and life that the Bible doesn't condemn. Things like child abuse, spousal abuse, torture, infanticide, genocide, etc.. Does that make them all OK...? In many instances the Bible actually condones and promotes some of these things.

I haven't read the whole thread, but wasn't this like 150 years ago?




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True, but interesting huh.

At this point in time I put more store in your Constitution than I do something cobbled together by people scrabbling about in the dirt of the Middle East thousands of years ago.
Whilst the central message of 'be nice to each other' has its merits, I have serious reservations about the 'listen and believe what the appointed mouth-pieces say'.

It seems to me that rehashing something that happened over 150 years ago is nothing more than an academic exercise, since nothing done or said today has the power to turn the clock back and change what actually happened. Of course, most of that which is discussed on this site and those like it is just a rehash of things that have been discussed into a coma.

The issue is not so much the civil war, (so called) but the specific issue of "the retained right of secession" as 4ager so eloquently put it; and as specifically articulated in Virginia's ratification.

Right now today we live under intolerable tyranny. Y'all have to admit that. That is a right now, today sort of thing- no denying that. What went wrong? We have states, cities and monuments named after George Washington but the kids in public school never read a bio of the man. Why? Why do we have this wonderful foundation stone of Jefferson, Mason, Madison, Henry, and Lee but everywhere you look the Federal Gov. does things in total opposition to the founders?

In my small world of introverted myopia I am trying to figure out how to fix it. Doesn't every patriotic person and especially veterans think that way? What went wrong? How to fix it?

The Federal Centralized Oligarchy has unchecked, unrestrained, unaccountable power. That dynamic has to change. States rights is integral to the wisdom of the founders. Even defended by Hamilton in the Federalist Papers.

Ireland was subjugated by Cromwell in the mid 1600's and never gave up hope of freedom. Cromwell to Mike Collins... what is that... about 250 years?

We keep this debate alive because just like Sam Adams we seek to light fires in the minds of men.

Thomas Paine sat around in taverns engaging the debate in his day prior to writing Common Sense. This is how change happens. Folks get to thinking it through.

I have learned in my years here at the Fire alto about the north south thing. I have learned there are Americans here that say the hate me because of where I was born, a northern state. I have learned I am guilty of the war of southern aggression not because of anything I have done but because of where I was born. Those of us not born and living south of some imaginary line are guilty of being the cursed Yankee criminals who should be punished for Lincoln's acts no matter how we feel on the subject.

So I just live with it.

Maybe except on here. I've never seen anything else occur but the topic broached by those from the South or sympathetic to the Southern version of events. And quite often, too. And it always plays out exactly the same: drone on and on with the same posters and same perspectives, until others of an opposing view get tired of it and begin chiming in. Then the butthurt starts and it drags out for far too long. As I live and breathe!

I've learned after years on the 'Fire that you have the BIGGEST pussy of anyone, and it ALWAYS hurts.

Forgot to add the rampant name calling by some southerners.

Wasn't he born in New Jersey?

I have learned in my years here at the Fire alto about the north south thing. I have learned there are Americans here that say the hate me because of where I was born, a northern state. I have learned I am guilty of the war of southern aggression not because of anything I have done but because of where I was born. Those of us not born and living south of some imaginary line are guilty of being the cursed Yankee criminals who should be punished for Lincoln's acts no matter how we feel on the subject.

So I just live with it.