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Hi guys, Wanted to get a thread up as more of a formal introduction. New optic company and new vendor sponsor for 24HCF. To cut right to it, Tract Optics was formed by hunters & shooters who came from other outdoor optics companies who were tired of being held back when putting products out in the market (About Us) . Tract has a more unique business model than most sport optics companies….we sell direct to consumer only. No added on margin for middle men, retailers, or distributors. We want to put high quality optics out there at the best prices imaginable. If you know business and how margins work, you can see how much of an impact that has on keeping more money in your pockets. We came out end of last year with our Binocular line…the Toric series being the Flagship. Using Schott factory ED glass with some of the best coatings out there, our own enhanced ocular design for wider FOV, made in japan, we’ve engineered these to give consumers that “wow” factor. We also just released the first series of riflescopes, the Toric name also representing the top tier on this category. Once again, coming out of one of the most respected optics factories in the world, using Schott HT glass, Zero Stop turrets, Glass etched reticles, were giving users 4” of constant eye relief and a wider than norm FOV through a newly designed eyebox. All Covered by our Tract Trust Assurance lifetime guarantee. We brought this initial product offering out with the hunter’s true needs in mind. Not stopping there, we have more optics in development and production to fill the wants and needs of target and competition shooters; AR, Rimfire, etc. As well as more of those desirable features we as hunters and shooters look for but couldn’t find for those more reasonable prices. We all know talk is cheap and proof is in the use. So, here’s a few links to some reviews and articles written by some guys that have already begun putting Tract through the paces. Outdoor Life Optics Test, 14 new scopes tested American Rifleman Me personally, I came on board with Tract a few months back after first looking through the 10x42 Toric binocular I was taking to South Africa. The optic and price blew me away and I wanted to be part of it. I’m about 12 years into the hunting/optics industry and have worked with, used, and/or have owned just about every optic brand out there…but there’s always room for a quality optic at a better price in my mind. I’m here if you guys ever have a question or comment. Feel free to PM me. We also have a Chat feature on our site as well as Facebook posting. Finally, going to have a rolling 5% off coupon code for any 24HCF member, code: 24HOUR5 Thanks guys for the opportunity.
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If you visit their site, they say you are bound by all this: TRACT Terms and Conditions These TRACT Terms and Conditions apply to the website and all other online properties (the “Site”) operated by TRACT Optics, LLC. The use of the Site, including the purchase of any TRACT Optics (as defined below) is subject to the following terms and conditions (the “Terms”). By using this Site, you agree to these Terms as well as any other terms, guidelines or rules that apply to any portion of this Site, without limitation or qualification. If you do not agree to these Terms, then you must exit the Site immediately and discontinue any use of the information or products obtainable or accessible through the Site. If you have any questions about the Terms, please contact us at supporttractoptics.com We provide the Site in order to enable you to browse and purchase TRACT binoculars (“Binoculars”), riflescopes (“Riflescopes”), riflescope mounts (“Riflescope Mounts”), and optics accessories (“Optics Accessories”) (collectively, the “Products”). 1. Privacy We have adopted a Privacy Policy that you should refer to in order to fully understand how we collect and use your information. The Privacy Policy is hereby incorporated into these Terms by reference. 2. Electronic Communication When you visit the Site, or send us e-mails, you are communicating with us electronically. In so doing, you consent to receive communications from us electronically. We will communicate with you by e-mail or by posting notices on this Site. You agree that all agreements, notices, disclosures and other communications that we provide to you electronically satisfy any legal requirement that such communication be in writing. 3. Eligibility No part of the Site is directed to persons under the age of 13. IF YOU ARE UNDER 13 YEARS OF AGE, PLEASE DO NOT USE OR ACCESS THE SITE AT ANY TIME OR IN ANY MANNER. If you are using the Site on behalf of a company, entity, or organization (collectively “Organization”), then you represent and warrant that you (a) are an authorized representative of that Organization; (b) have the authority to bind that Organization to these Terms; and (c) agree to be bound by these Terms on behalf of that Organization. 4. Copyright Images of people, places and/or products posted on this Site are either the property of TRACT or our licensors. Unless otherwise noted, all content included on this Site, including images, illustrations, designs, icons, photographs, video clips and written and other materials (together, with “Marks” (as defined below), “TRACT Content”) is the property of TRACT or its licensors, partners or affiliates and is protected by United States and international copyright laws. The compilation of this Site is the exclusive property of TRACT and is protected by United States and international intellectual property laws. Any unauthorized use of any content or materials on this Site is strictly prohibited and may violate copyright and trademark laws, and/or the laws of privacy, publicity, and/or communications regulations and statutes. You may use the materials or content on this Site only with our prior written and express authorization. To inquire about obtaining authorization to use the materials or content on this Site, please contact us at supporttractoptics.com. 5. Trademarks All trademarks, service marks, and trade names (collectively the “Marks”) that appear on this Site are proprietary to TRACT, or the other respective owners of such Marks. You may not display or reproduce the Marks in any manner without the prior written consent of TRACT, and you may not remove or otherwise modify in any manner any trademark notices from any content offered or received through the Site. 6. Limited License and Site Access We grant you a limited license to use the Site for personal use only. Consequently, this grant does not allow you to do any of the following: (a) resell or make any commercial use of this Site or any of the contents of this Site; (b) modify, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or convert into human readable form any of the contents of this Site not intended to be so read. This includes using or directly viewing the underlying HTML or other code from this Site except as interpreted and displayed in a web browser; (c) copy, imitate, mirror, reproduce, distribute, publish, download, display, perform, post or transmit any of the contents of this Site (including any Marks) in any form or by any means, including, but not limited to, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise; or (d) use any data mining, bots, spiders, automated tools or similar data gathering and extraction methods on the contents of the Site or to collect any information from the Site or any other user of the Site. 7. Accounts, Forms, Registrations and Passwords You represent and warrant that the information you provide to TRACT upon creating an account on the Site and at all other times will be true, accurate, current, and complete. To facilitate future purchases on the Site, you may choose to create an account by providing an e-mail address and password. Please note that you may choose to use the Site and make purchases without creating an account. If you do create an account, your account is personal to you, and you may not share your account information with, or allow access to your account by, any third party. As you will be responsible for all activity that occurs under your access credentials, you agree to use reasonable efforts to prevent unauthorized access to or use of the Site and to preserve the confidentiality of your username and password, and any device that you use to access the Site. You agree to notify us immediately of any breach in secrecy of your log-in information. If you have any reason to believe that your account information has been compromised or that your account has been accessed by a third party, you agree to immediately notify TRACT by e-mail to supporttractoptics.com. You will be solely responsible for the losses incurred by TRACT and others due to any unauthorized use of your account. 8. Fees and Payments; Shipping Prices. The price for Optics Products available for purchase through the Site will be displayed to you on the Site. The prices displayed do not include taxes. Any applicable taxes will be communicated to you before you place an order. There is no charge for 2-Day shipping if you live within the 48 contiguous states and DC, but expedited Next Day Air or international shipping may be purchased at additional cost. Please see “Shipping” below for more information. Payments. The Site currently uses third parties to process payments. Our third-party payment processors accept payments through various credit cards, including Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover, as detailed on the applicable payment screen. United States Dollars. All monetary transactions on the Site take place in U.S. dollars. 9. Warranty Binocular & Riflescope: TRACT Optics product(s) are covered by a limited, Lifetime warranty (the “TRACT Trust Assurance”). You can put your trust in us to provide a high quality product that we guarantee will not fail you for the LIFETIME of the product. Ownership of any TRACT product automatically falls under the TRACT Trust Assurance Warranty regardless of whether or not you are the original owner. No time limit applies and no registration is necessary. In the unlikely event that one of our products does not perform in the manner of which it was designed and engineered, we will repair or replace it, at our discretion. We will make it right and make sure that the issue is resolved as quickly as possible. If there is an issue with your Optics, please review the TRACT Trust Assurance Warranty to see if the problem is covered under the warranty and contact us at 844-747-4928 or supporttractoptics.com. 10. Title. Risk of loss and title for Products purchased from TRACT pass to you upon delivery of such Products (by TRACT or our manufacturer) to the carrier. You are responsible for filing any claims with carriers for damaged or lost shipments. 11. Shipping. When you place an order for Products through the Site, the Products will be shipped to the address you designate as the “Shipping Address” during the check-out process. It is the responsibility of the customer to insure accuracy of the shipping information. Please note that a signature is required for delivery. We suggest you choose a shipping address where packages can be delivered during normal business hours. Please note that the shipping address does not need to match the billing address. Additional shipping charges may apply for expedited shipping if selected by the customer at the customer’s expense. 12. Return Policy Buying a high-end optic online has its challenges, you obviously can’t hold it or look through it. So, if you get it and it’s not the optic we said it was, then contact us within 30 days and as long as it’s in like-new condition in the original packaging, then we will exchange it or give you a full refund. You will be responsible for shipping it back to us and we will do everything we can to make it right. Contact us by email at: supporttractoptics.com 13. Gift and Promo Codes From time to time, TRACT may offer qualified consumers “gift codes” or “promo codes” through a variety of promotional activities and communications (collectively referred to herein as “promo codes”) that are redeemable towards a purchase on tractoptics.com, while supplies last, and subject to certain merchandise exclusions or any other restrictions as may be determined and communicated by TRACT in its sole discretion. Only valid offer codes provided or promoted by TRACT will be honored at checkout. Codes supplied or promoted by third parties unauthorized by TRACT (including any unauthorized third party websites) will not be considered valid. Each offer code promoted by TRACT is non-transferable and valid for single use on an item (or items) of merchandise as determined by TRACT. Promo codes may not be combined and customers are limited to the use of a single offer code per order. For online purchases, the code must be entered in the ‘offer code’ field at checkout. Promo codes are not valid for use by customers that elect to finance their purchase through Affirm. Promo codes are not valid in showrooms or stores and are valid online only. TRACT is not responsible for lost, stolen or corrupted codes or any unauthorized use of codes. Promo codes cannot be redeemed for cash or any cash equivalent; no substitutions or credits allowed. The dollar value of any offer code will not be refunded or credited back if any or all of the merchandise is returned. Expiry dates may apply to each offer code. Promo codes are void if copied, transferred, sold, exchanged or expired, and where prohibited. Requests not complying with all offer code requirements will not be honored. 14. Spokespeople. From time to time, TRACT may also engage spokespeople, influencers, bloggers, or other individuals or entities who have been compensated or incentivized to speak on behalf of the brand. When you receive a promo code via a third party source, such as a television or radio show host, please note that such individuals may have been compensated by TRACT for their statements. 15. Feedback We appreciate hearing from our users and welcome your comments regarding the Site. Please be advised, however, that if you send us creative ideas, suggestions, inventions, or materials (“Creative Ideas”), we will (a) own, exclusively, all now known or later discovered rights to the Creative Ideas; (b) not be subject to any obligation of confidentiality and will not be liable for any use or disclosure of any Creative Ideas; and (c) be entitled to unrestricted use of the Creative Ideas for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise, without compensation to you or any other person. 16. Content You Submit to TRACT From time to time, TRACT may allow you to post reviews, comments, photos, or similar materials on the Site (collectively, “Reviews”). We welcome your comments regarding our Products and services, including our Site. However, any Reviews you submit to TRACT must not harass, slander, malign, libel, defame, threaten, or otherwise violate any rights of any third-parties and must not include any profanity, obscene, indecent, pornographic, defamatory or unlawful material. By posting a Review on the Site, you hereby grant TRACT an unrestricted, assignable, sub-licensable, perpetual royalty-free, fully paid up license throughout the world to reproduce, distribute, publicly display, transmit, communicate to the public, publicly perform on a through-to-the-audience basis, create derivative works from, and otherwise use and exploit (collectively, “Use”) all Reviews you post to the Site, for any purpose, including promoting and marketing TRACT and the Optical Products. You further grant TRACT a royalty-free license to Use the name, image, and likeness of any person identifiable in any Review you post to the Site. By posting a Review, you waive any and all rights of publicity, privacy or any other rights of a similar nature, in addition to any moral rights you may have in your Review. Except for materials provided to you by TRACT through the Site, you represent, warrant, and covenant that (i) you either are the sole and exclusive owner of Reviews that you post to the Site, or you have all rights, licenses, consents, and releases that are necessary to grant to TRACT the rights in your Reviews as contemplated under the Terms, and (ii) the Reviews you post to the Site do not (A) infringe, misappropriate or violate the rights of any party or entity, including a third party’s patent, copyright, trademark, trade secret, moral rights, rights of publicity, rights of privacy or other intellectual property or proprietary rights, (B) constitute or result in defamation, libel, slander, or the violation of any applicable law or regulation (including, without limitation, restrictions on obscenity, child pornography, wiretap laws or other similar restrictions on nonconsensual recording, or otherwise), or (C) require TRACT to obtain any licenses from or make any payments in any amounts to any third party throughout the world. No Objectionable Content. You agree not to submit Reviews that: (i) are or could be interpreted to be infringing, defamatory, libelous, inaccurate, unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, vulgar, offensive, obscene, pornographic, objectionable, hateful, or promotes discrimination, bigotry, racism, or hatred, as determined by TRACT in its sole discretion; or (ii) introduce viruses, time-bombs, worms, cancel bots, Trojan Horses and/or other harmful or malicious code. Monitoring. TRACT has no obligation to monitor this Site or any portion thereof. However, we reserve the right to review any Reviews and remove, delete, redact or otherwise modify such Reviews, in our sole discretion, at any time and from time to time, without notice or further obligation to you. TRACT has no obligation to display or post any Reviews. TRACT, subject to our Privacy Policy, reserves the right to disclose, at any time and from time to time, any information or posted content that it deems necessary or appropriate, including without limitation to satisfy any applicable, law, regulation, contractual obligation, legal, dispute process, or governmental request. 17. Digital Millennium Copyright Act The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 (the “DMCA”) provides recourse for copyright owners who believe that material appearing on the Internet infringes their rights under U.S. copyright law. If you believe in good faith that materials posted on the Site infringe your copyright, you (or your agent) may send TRACT a “Notification of Claimed Infringement” requesting that the material be removed, or access to it blocked. The notice must include the following information: A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the works that have been allegedly infringed; Identification of the copyrighted work alleged to have been infringed (or if multiple copyrighted works located on the Site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works); Identification of the specific material alleged to be infringing or the subject of infringing activity, and information reasonably sufficient to allow TRACT to locate the material on the Site; Your name, address, telephone number, and e-mail address (if available); A statement that you have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; and A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed. If you believe in good faith that a notice of copyright infringement has been wrongly filed against you, the DMCA permits you to send TRACT a counter-notice. Notices and counter-notices must meet the then-current statutory requirements imposed by the DMCA; see http://www.loc.gov/copyright/ for details. Consult your legal advisor and see 17 U.S.C. § 512 before filing a notice or counter-notice as there are penalties for false claims under the DMCA. 18. Use of the Site You agree to use the Site only for its intended purpose. You must use the Site in compliance with all privacy, data protection, intellectual property, and other applicable laws. The following uses of the Site are prohibited. You may not: attempt to interfere with, harm, reverse engineer, steal from, or gain unauthorized access to the Site, user accounts, or the technology and equipment supporting the Site; frame or link to the Site without permission; use data mining, robots, or other data gathering devices on or through the Site; post incomplete, false, or misleading information, impersonate another person, or misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity; disclose personal information about another person or harass, abuse, or post objectionable material; sell, transfer, or assign any of your rights to use the Site to a third party without our express written consent; post advertising or marketing links or content, except as specifically allowed by these Terms; use the Site in an illegal way or to commit an illegal act in relation to the Site or that otherwise results in fines, penalties, and other liability to TRACT or others; or access the Site from a jurisdiction where it is illegal or unauthorized. 19. Disclaimer We do not represent or guarantee the truthfulness, accuracy, or reliability of content, posted by third parties. You accept that any reliance on material posted by third-party service providers will be at your own risk. By using the Site you accept the risk that you might be exposed to content that is objectionable or otherwise inappropriate. We may change, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Site at any time, including hours of operation or availability of the Site or any feature, without notice or liability. User Disputes. We are not responsible for any disputes or disagreements between you and any third party you interact with using the Site. You assume all risk associated with dealing with third parties. You agree to resolve disputes directly with the other party. You release TRACT of all claims, demands, and damages in disputes among users of the Site. You also agree not to involve us in such disputes. Use caution and common sense when using the Site. Content Accuracy. We make no representations about accuracy, reliability, completeness, or timeliness of any contents of the Site. Similarly, we make no representations about accuracy, reliability, completeness, or timeliness of any data from a third-party service provider or the quality or nature of third-party products or services obtained through the Services. Use the Site at your own risk. We make no promises and disclaim all liability of specific results from the use of the Site. Released Parties Defined. “Released Parties” include TRACT and its affiliates, officers, employees, agents, partners, and licensors. YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT: (A) YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK, AND THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED ON AN “AS IS” AND “AS AVAILABLE” BASIS AND THE RELEASED PARTIES EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, WARRANTIES AS TO PRODUCTS OR SERVICES LISTED ON THE SITE, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT; (B) THE RELEASED PARTIES MAKE NO WARRANTY THAT (i) THE SITE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS, (ii) THE SITE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE, OR ERROR-FREE, (iii) THE RESULTS THAT MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE USE OF THE SITE WILL BE ACCURATE OR RELIABLE, (iv) THE QUALITY OF ANY GOODS OR SERVICE AVAILABLE ON THE SITE WILL MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS, OR (v) ANY ERRORS IN THE SITE WILL BE CORRECTED; AND (C) ANY MATERIAL DOWNLOADED OR OTHERWISE OBTAINED THROUGH THE USE OF THE SITE IS ACCESSED AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION AND RISK, AND YOU WILL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEM OR MOBILE DEVICE THAT RESULTS FROM THE USE OF ANY SUCH MATERIAL. 20. Limitation on Liability YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE RELEASED PARTIES WILL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF TRACT HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE SITE; (ii) THE COST OF PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS AND SERVICES RESULTING FROM ANY GOODS, DATA, INFORMATION OR SERVICES OBTAINED OR MESSAGES RECEIVED OR TRANSACTIONS ENTERED INTO THROUGH, FROM, OR AS A RESULT OF THE SITE; (iii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iv) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY USER OR THIRD PARTY ON THE SITE; (v) YOUR RELIANCE ON CONTENT MADE AVAILABLE BY US; OR (vi) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE SITE. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN WARRANTIES OR THE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION OF LIABILITY FOR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. ACCORDINGLY, SOME OF THE ABOVE LIMITATIONS IN THIS PARAGRAPH MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE BY LAW, THE RELEASED PARTIES’ MAXIMUM LIABILITY ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SITE OR YOUR USE OF TRACT CONTENT, REGARDLESS OF THE CAUSE OF ACTION (WHETHER IN CONTRACT, TORT, BREACH OF WARRANTY, OR OTHERWISE), WILL NOT EXCEED $100. You agree to defend, indemnify, and hold harmless the Released Parties from and against any claims, actions, or demands, including without limitation reasonable legal and accounting fees, alleging or resulting from (i) your use of or reliance on any third-party content, (ii) your use of or reliance on any TRACT Content, or (iii) your breach of these Terms. We will provide notice to you promptly of any such claim, suit, or proceeding. 21. Dispute Resolution These Terms and the relationship between you and TRACT will be governed by the laws of the State of Pennsylvania without regard to its conflict of law provisions. You and TRACT agree to submit to the personal and exclusive arbitration of any disputes relating to your use of the Site under the rules of the American Arbitration Association. Any such arbitration, to the extent necessary, will be conducted in the State of Pennsylvania. You covenant not to sue TRACT in any other forum. You also acknowledge and understand that, with respect to any dispute with the Released Parties arising out of or relating to your use of the Site, purchase of Optic Products, or these Terms: YOU ARE GIVING UP YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE A TRIAL BY JURY YOU ARE GIVING UP YOUR RIGHT TO SERVE AS A REPRESENTATIVE, AS A PRIVATE ATTORNEY GENERAL, OR IN ANY OTHER REPRESENTATIVE CAPACITY, OR TO PARTICIPATE AS A MEMBER OF A CLASS OF CLAIMANTS, IN ANY LAWSUIT INVOLVING ANY SUCH DISPUTE; AND YOU MUST FILE ANY CLAIM WITHIN ONE (1) YEAR AFTER SUCH CLAIM AROSE OR IT IS FOREVER BARRED. 22. Termination Notwithstanding any of these Terms, we reserve the right, without notice or attendant liability, and in our sole discretion, to terminate your license to use this Site, and to block or prevent future access to and use of this Site for any reason or no reason. Upon termination, these Terms will still apply. 23. We Reserve the Right to Update and Revise these Terms at Any Time From time to time we review these Terms to ensure that they comply with applicable law. Consequently, we reserve the right to update and revise these Terms at any time. You will know if these Terms have been revised since your last visit to the website by referring to the “Effective Date of Current Policy” date at the top of this page; provided, however, that we will endeavor to provide you with prior notice of any material changes. Your use of our website constitutes your acceptance of the terms of these Terms as amended or revised by us from time to time, and you should therefore review these Terms regularly to ensure that you are aware of its terms. 24. Waiver Our failure to partially or fully exercise any rights or our waiver of any breach of these Terms by user shall not prevent our subsequent exercise of such right or be deemed a waiver by us of any subsequent breach by you of the same or any other term of these Terms. Our rights and remedies under these Terms and any other applicable agreement between you and us shall be cumulative, and the exercise of any such right or remedy shall not limit our right to exercise any other right or remedy. 25. Severability If any of these Terms is be deemed invalid, void, or for any reason unenforceable, that term will be severed and will not affect the validity and enforceability of any remaining term or condition. 26. Entire Agreement These Terms constitute the entire agreement between the user and TRACT with respect to this Site and supersede all prior or contemporaneous communications and proposals, whether electronic, oral or written with respect to this Site. 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Seems a pretty standard set of provisions. Go to any site from which purchases can be made and feedback given, and you'll find much the same. Often it isn't all that obvious, and there'll be a link called something like "legal", buried somewhere on the home page in a small font. Among other things it spells out such important things as warranty and returns. Of course, much of this sort of thing is a product of a system where there are too many people using lawyers to get their way
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Seems a pretty standard set of provisions. Go to any site from which purchases can be made and feedback given, and you'll find much the same. Often it isn't all that obvious, and there'll be a link called something like "legal", buried somewhere on the home page in a small font. Among other things it spells out such important things as warranty and returns. Of course, much of this sort of thing is a product of a system where there are too many people using lawyers to get their way Hi Dan, Yep, it's just laying all the legal and privacy policy out there. Everyone has their own form, some just don't publish it all, others break it up on various links. Just the norm.
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If you visit their site, they say you are bound by all this: TRACT Terms and Conditions These TRACT Terms and Conditions apply to the website and all other online properties (the “Site”) operated by TRACT Optics, LLC. The use of the Site, including the purchase of any TRACT Optics (as defined below) is subject to the following terms and conditions (the “Terms”). By using this Site, you agree to these Terms as well as any other terms, guidelines or rules that apply to any portion of this Site, without limitation or qualification. If you do not agree to these Terms, then you must exit the Site immediately and discontinue any use of the information or products obtainable or accessible through the Site. If you have any questions about the Terms, please contact us at supporttractoptics.com We provide the Site in order to enable you to browse and purchase TRACT binoculars (“Binoculars”), riflescopes (“Riflescopes”), riflescope mounts (“Riflescope Mounts”), and optics accessories (“Optics Accessories”) (collectively, the “Products”). 1. Privacy We have adopted a Privacy Policy that you should refer to in order to fully understand how we collect and use your information. The Privacy Policy is hereby incorporated into these Terms by reference. 2. Electronic Communication When you visit the Site, or send us e-mails, you are communicating with us electronically. In so doing, you consent to receive communications from us electronically. We will communicate with you by e-mail or by posting notices on this Site. You agree that all agreements, notices, disclosures and other communications that we provide to you electronically satisfy any legal requirement that such communication be in writing. 3. Eligibility No part of the Site is directed to persons under the age of 13. IF YOU ARE UNDER 13 YEARS OF AGE, PLEASE DO NOT USE OR ACCESS THE SITE AT ANY TIME OR IN ANY MANNER. If you are using the Site on behalf of a company, entity, or organization (collectively “Organization”), then you represent and warrant that you (a) are an authorized representative of that Organization; (b) have the authority to bind that Organization to these Terms; and (c) agree to be bound by these Terms on behalf of that Organization. 4. Copyright Images of people, places and/or products posted on this Site are either the property of TRACT or our licensors. Unless otherwise noted, all content included on this Site, including images, illustrations, designs, icons, photographs, video clips and written and other materials (together, with “Marks” (as defined below), “TRACT Content”) is the property of TRACT or its licensors, partners or affiliates and is protected by United States and international copyright laws. The compilation of this Site is the exclusive property of TRACT and is protected by United States and international intellectual property laws. Any unauthorized use of any content or materials on this Site is strictly prohibited and may violate copyright and trademark laws, and/or the laws of privacy, publicity, and/or communications regulations and statutes. You may use the materials or content on this Site only with our prior written and express authorization. To inquire about obtaining authorization to use the materials or content on this Site, please contact us at supporttractoptics.com. 5. 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That is just standard boilerplate legalese. You will find similar stuff on a whole lot of sites.
I for one welcome newcomers to the optics arena. Sure, they have an uphill battle ahead of them, but competition is a good thing.
If you need to stay attached to your alpha glass, fine and dandy. However if you are really interested in optics, these new guys usually have a lot to offer.
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That is just standard boilerplate legalese. You will find similar stuff on a whole lot of sites.
I for one welcome newcomers to the optics arena. Sure, they have an uphill battle ahead of them, but competition is a good thing.
If you need to stay attached to your alpha glass, fine and dandy. However if you are really interested in optics, these new guys usually have a lot to offer. Thanks Steve. Certainly have to climb the hill and prove ourselves. Just as important, were hoping that our model of cutting out that added margin and selling direct to consumer will help get better quality optics in users hands without having to spend as much money. Saves more cash for those trips and feeding the rifles they use on them.
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I really like your business model. Customer service will be the proof.
Can you ship these products to Canada ?
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After looking at the information about your scopes I notice over 34 feet field of view. It sure appears you could make a 5-25X50 that weighs the same as your 3-15X50 and still have a good field of view.
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I really like your business model. Customer service will be the proof.
Can you ship these products to Canada ? Hi 338, I believe we are set up to ship our Bino's to Canada, but are working through some of the legalities of riflescopes. Definitely working on them and it is our goal.
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Any idea when you will bring out fixed power scopes i.e.... 2.5x,4x,6x, etc...
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After looking at the information about your scopes I notice over 34 feet field of view. It sure appears you could make a 5-25X50 that weighs the same as your 3-15X50 and still have a good field of view. Hey Ring, Yea, there is some great development being done on bring out the higher magnification. At that FOV with a 1" tube and our eyebox, we know we can really pump it up on taking it to a 30mm tube and therefore working up that eyebox to increase the FOV. I love magnification for target shooting, but tend to not use as much in hunting. So its good to have a nice variable range....and a few different models to choose from al1 around.
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Any idea when you will bring out fixed power scopes i.e.... 2.5x,4x,6x, etc... Not off hand, but its something we've talked about and started looking into. I love my old Weaver 4x and know there's a good following for the fixed crowd. I'm certainly listening to any and all feedback. Its something hard in development, you get focused on what you like or want, but need to hear more from outside your gun room...one of the big reasons were on here.
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+P HW, Agree with their T&Cs or discontinue use of, not only the site, but the products too? Point being, IMO that's horschit. If it doesn't read that way to you or others that's fine and dandy but I won't agree to those terms. "If you do not agree to these Terms, then you must exit the Site immediately and discontinue any use of the information or products obtainable or accessible through the Site."
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Thanks for your answer.
Got another question,the tube on that Weaver 4x is long and will fit any rifle with room to spare. Now I have a Leupold 2x-7x that I wanted to put on a Remington M 700 .375 RUM and the tube is too short,will you make scopes with longer tubes like the Weaver 4x?
Yes,I can put the Leupold on,but I don't like using extension rings.
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+P HW, Agree with their T&Cs or discontinue use of, not only the site, but the products too? Point being, IMO that's horschit. If it doesn't read that way to you or others that's fine and dandy but I won't agree to those terms. "If you do not agree to these Terms, then you must exit the Site immediately and discontinue any use of the information or products obtainable or accessible through the Site." I wouldn't get all wrapped around the axle about a bunch of lawyerese, unless you plan on copying, then selling, Tract Optics web page or their products.
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Okay fine - I concede....
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Any idea when you will bring out fixed power scopes i.e.... 2.5x,4x,6x, etc... Not off hand, but its something we've talked about and started looking into. I love my old Weaver 4x and know there's a good following for the fixed crowd. I'm certainly listening to any and all feedback. Its something hard in development, you get focused on what you like or want, but need to hear more from outside your gun room...one of the big reasons were on here. I don't have the experience with a wide variety of optics like some here have, as I live on a tight budget. Me and my ground hog killin friends all use SWFA because they track and you can afford them. Only thing is... they don't have an affordable 1x6 Carbine scope. I think that niche is wide open. A rugged 1x6 for AR's under 500 or even around 400 dollars. Also; a rugged lightweight 6x with forgiving eyebox like the loopie 6x42. I am ALWAYS looing for something like that. I'll use a SWFA because they already have the cranky knobs and upward internal travel; but if some guru could do that with a lighter smaller package I would buy a few or more. Sending in the loopie 6x42 for cranky knob upgrade is too much hassle for me since I work long hours and free time is too valuable to me for hassles.
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I bet if one checks out the legals of this site, you will find a similar page or more of legalese. Just think...Rick Bin now owns all the crap the Big Sick posts. How can one guy get so lucky.
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