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That is some kinda funny.
62X's will take ribs, shoulders and everything betwixt same and keep right on-a-goin'. Seen it. Know of a notable MT guide that posted pixels of a bodacious bull. Shooter used a 22-250AI pushing 62X's to punch both shoulders at 450 paces and some change. One poke and that bull looked pretty dead.
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My opinion is the .270 Win is the best mule deer rifle going.
Ribs? A load with Barnes will bust shoulders. Plenty of pics showing complete penetration have been posted on this site by guys using 223, 223AI, and 22-250 with Barnes bullets. [/quote] And oh look! Heres one now! .22-250 Barnes 53 gr. TSX, broke both shoulders... And look! Its a mule deer! Oops! heres another mule deer....22-250/53 gr. TSX combo.... And heres a scimitar horned oryx...223AI 55 gr Barnes TTSX through and through the spinal column...no tracking here! Theres plenty more where they came from...
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Variety is the spice of life, sooooo.... We have antelope...plain vanilla .223 53 TSX We have whitetails-o-plenty...22-250 55 grain Trophy Bonded .222 45 grain Barnes TSX 247 yards... And feral hogs-o-plenty... 175 pound boar....2233AI 60 grain NBT
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You messed up the quote arrangement.
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I was going on the assumption the .224 caliber were still designed for small game.
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You messed up the quote arrangement. Yeah..I know...hungover from too much ice in the whiskey last night...
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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I've warned you about solid phase Dihydrogen Monoxide.
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I know...but the flesh is weak.... I saw on another thread however, that we agree on steaks......
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I will admit when I'm wrong. I was going on the assumption the .224 caliber were still designed for small game. It looks as though Nosler has designed Partitions for larger game.
With heart shots, they ougha work. I'm still concerned, though, about a .224 bullet penetrating after hitting a rib or breast plate.
And I'm still of the opinion that .243 Win & up are best for mule deer, especially where rages extend beyond 200 yards.
My opinion is the .270 Win is the best mule deer rifle going. Lots of guys on here have shot more, and bigger animals than I with .22 centerfires. But here is why I believe in them. 22-250, 62 ttsx @ 300, through lungs and then straight on through the neck into the guts, stopped somewhere after busting pelvis. 22-250ai, 62 ttsx @ 125, diagonally through from short ribs and busted offside shoulder. Big body. 22-250 ai, 62 ttsx, 340, in from the front through the heart, busted ribs on the way out. 22-250, 62 ttsx, 426. Exited after broadside shot through vitals. 22-250ai, 53 tsx, just under 200. Exit after punching vitals.
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.222 45 grain Barnes TSX 247 yards... I don't remember seeing this pic before. That's a friggin toad! I have an uber load with the 45 tsx for my deuce, but haven't killed anything with it yet.
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I put a plain vanilla 55 grain Hornady sp through both shoulders of a huge old doe a few years ago. Found a perfectly mushroomed bullet just usder the hide on the off side shoulder. Put a 38 grain power lokt hp from a 5mm Remington rimfire magnum through the shoulder of a forkhorn buck back in the 70's and never got to see what it looked like because it EXITED behind the shoulder on the off side. Don't know how many here might remember the old Nosler solid base "expander" varmint bullets but I used the 50 gr. version back in the 80's out of my old Remington 788 .222 to kill a bunch of deer and it really churned the shyt out of their innards. Still have the rack from a 172 lb {dressed} 8 point hanging on the wall that dropped instantly from a lung shot with that bullet.
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.460 Wby using a 500 gr Hornady soft point.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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SakoAV,
Nosler and Barnes are far from the only companies making .224 bullets specifically for use on big game, and it's been that way for quite a while.
But even before then some .224 bullets did fine. The 60-grain Nosler Solid Base worked very much like the 60-grain Partition. I know this because that's what I loaded in the .220 Swift in the 1980's for use on deer and and antelope here in Montana.
I'm quite familiar with how the .243 works on those animals, and as far as I could tell the 60 Solid Base from the .220 Swift worked very similarly to 100-grain bullets from the .243.
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Sako AV: All the bullets mentioned by these guys have been proven performers. The Barnes 62 gr. TSX that BGG likes is deadly...Blackheart mentioned the regular 55 grain Hornady, which I have had similar results with, and Scenarshooter here has killed more deer than CWD with that bullet. The Nosler Solid base bullets, 50 and 60 grains were great ( wish they still made them...) Like JB I used a lot of the Nosler 60 gr Solid base..... Plus there are others on the market designed specifically for use on big game in a .22 centerfire, and like JB says, I can't tell the difference between them and anything in a .243
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I wonder how well a handful of Hornady 55 SPs stacked in a 12 gauge shot cup would work...
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I will admit when I'm wrong. I was going on the assumption the .224 caliber were still designed for small game. It looks as though Nosler has designed Partitions for larger game.
With heart shots, they ougha work. I'm still concerned, though, about a .224 bullet penetrating after hitting a rib or breast plate.
And I'm still of the opinion that .243 Win & up are best for mule deer, especially where rages extend beyond 200 yards.
My opinion is the .270 Win is the best mule deer rifle going. You weren't WRONG, you were talking out of your ass. There's a difference.
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Lots of folks have some odd fear about hitting bone with a 22 caliber bullet, why I have NO idea.
I always aim for bone and to date have only caught one 22 caliber bullet.
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Not one, but two threads on the same forum about .22 centerfires for deer. Oh, happy day!
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Did catch one .224 bullet in a pronghorn a couple years ago. My wife was hunting with a .22-250 using the 40-grain Cutting Edge Raptor handloaded to a little over 4300 fps, which some might consider a little extreme.
The Raptor's a monolithic designed to lose it's petals, which in theory increases tissue destruction. We'd shot some into larger varmints--jackrabbits and one coyote--and never recovered one, so suspected it would do on a pronghorn.
It did. The shot came about 150 yards, with a big doe standing quartering to Eileen, who held for the center of the chest, which put the bullet between the shoulder and sternum. The doe dropped at the shot and never moved.
The bullet had gone through both lungs, ticking the bottom of the spine, then broke the far shoulder blade before the rear 2/3 ended up under the hide on the far side, toward the rear of the ribcage.
We weighed the field-dressed doe on the freight scale in our garage, and she probably went a little over 100 pounds on the hoof--not a huge animal but big for a pronghorn doe. Eileen used her .257 Roberts with a 100 TTSX at 3150 on another doe about the same size the next year, at a similar range and angle, and we recovered that bullet too, though a little further back, probably because it skidded along under the hide for a while.
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well, speaking of catching .22 slugs That's the Sierra 65gr boattail that killed the spike buck I previously pictured. It was launched out of the DD rifle shown with a 1 in 7" twist, which probably helped expansion. The buck was broadside, and the bullet broke the onside humerus, went through the vitals, and stopped in the offside hide, the core & jacket separated but together. IIRC it weighed about 50% of its original weight. My hunch is it would bust a shoulder & still kill - at least on small whitetails. Probably use something a little tougher in the future. So far it has shot the best in that Daniel Mk12.
Last edited by tex_n_cal; 07/26/16. Reason: add info
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