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I guess this is another example of why I not only have no faith in the justice system and why I don't shed any tears when the cops are ambushed or killed. Us against them.
As far as I'm concerned blue lives don't matter until innocent lives matter.
Those pigs, prosecutors and the sheriff can rot in hell.
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Let me see if I have this straight. If I am in Idaho and someone hist my bull with a car them I am called to dispatch my bull I should expect to be shot a bunch of times for bringing a gun.
No charges filed. How about animal cruelty for the officer shooting the injured bull several time in the gut?
If I were to shoot an adult bull in the head as he was laying down would anyone expect a 204 round to exit?
I am anything but anti cop but this sounds more like that bulls bowel movements than justice.
Hard to believe country cops could know so little about live in their county.
The first time I shot myself in the head...
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I don't shed any tears when the cops are ambushed or killed. Us against them.
At least your clear about your role in forwarding that rift....so long as your okay with being as responsible for the mentality at the "bad" cops in your AO, so be it. The good cops getting killed for whatever reason (or lack of one) and their families will, likely, get along just fine without your support. George
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Let me see if I have this straight. If I am in Idaho and someone hist my bull with a car them I am called to dispatch my bull I should expect to be shot a bunch of times for bringing a gun.
No charges filed. How about animal cruelty for the officer shooting the injured bull several time in the gut?
If I were to shoot an adult bull in the head as he was laying down would anyone expect a 204 round to exit?
I am anything but anti cop but this sounds more like that bulls bowel movements than justice.
Hard to believe country cops could know so little about live in their county. It seems lore like. A man shows up legally drunk, with a firearm and one way or another discharges a round in the direction of the cops..cops return fire.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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I guess this is another example of why I not only have no faith in the justice system and why I don't shed any tears when the cops are ambushed or killed. Us against them.
As far as I'm concerned blue lives don't matter until innocent lives matter.
Those pigs, prosecutors and the sheriff can rot in hell. 99+% of cops are good and do their jobs fairly and honestly. At the end of their shift, they want to go home to the wife, kids and dog. Unfortunately, there are a number of thugs, uncivilized and smart-ass people who threaten or or otherwise cause alarm in them, and they react - sometimes tragically. All lives matter.
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It seems lore like. A man shows up legally drunk, with a firearm and one way or another discharges a round in the direction of the cops..cops return fire.
I see your point but since no one knows when he shot it leave a lot to guess about. I have killed a lot of cows all with a 22. Never shot one in the gut and never had to use a second shot. Drunk or sober if they had let him do the job they called him to do we would not be having this discussion.
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It seems lore like. A man shows up legally drunk, with a firearm and one way or another discharges a round in the direction of the cops..cops return fire.
I see your point but since no one knows when he shot it leave a lot to guess about. I have killed a lot of cows all with a 22. Never shot one in the gut and never had to use a second shot. Drunk or sober if they had let him do the job they called him to do we would not be having this discussion. You find no responsibility for the outcome on the deceased?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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It seems lore like. A man shows up legally drunk, with a firearm and one way or another discharges a round in the direction of the cops..cops return fire.
I see your point but since no one knows when he shot it leave a lot to guess about. I have killed a lot of cows all with a 22. Never shot one in the gut and never had to use a second shot. Drunk or sober if they had let him do the job they called him to do we would not be having this discussion. Statement as entered into evidence was that he fired at them first. At this point that is accepted fact
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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I don't shed any tears when the cops are ambushed or killed. At least you're clear about your role in forwarding that rift.... It's pretty easy to understand how some productive taxpayers can come to feel the way that Aces does...given the injustices that we've seen over the years at the hands of some police officers. When an employee in the productive sector offends the company’s customer base, he can expect to the censured, sanctioned, or sacked. Customers who complain about such an employee can expect that their opinions will be listened to politely and respectfully. After all, the owners of the company are vividly aware that the public can take its business elsewhere, so retaining their loyalty is a compelling priority. In contrast, when a police officer employed in the coercive sector alienates the public through misconduct or criminal abuse, the offended 'customers' are treated with suspicion and hostility. The public will be told to accommodate the police officer’s behavior, and the 'customers' will be sternly reminded of their duty to render unconditional loyalty to the agency employing the police officer. Since law enforcement cannot 'go out of business', it doesn’t have to worry about public disaffection. The role of police is to distribute coercion, force, and violence on behalf of the government, and the government is the only clientele that the police have to please. When a police department is informed of officer misconduct, the institutional priority is to discredit the aggrieved 'customers', rather than to listen to their complaints.
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Right now what I am reading here is cop posters defending the two deputies and those who think they are guilty blaming the cops.Perhaps both sides should take time and read the Idaho Statesman article and listen to the Atty Gen's explanation. At least it will give some insight into what may / may not have occurred rather than a lot of rampant speculation which is what is happening in these posts. long explantion from Atty Generals office - http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/ag-no-charges-for-deputies-who-killed-council-rancher/284200441Idaho Statesman article - http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/idaho/article92573452.htmlAfter reading and listening my personal view is that the two deputies instigated the incident and that Adams County will pay a lot of money for their actions. Regardless a man is dead in an incident that should have never happened and no amount of money will bring him back. drover
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Let me see if I have this straight. If I am in Idaho and someone hist my bull with a car them I am called to dispatch my bull I should expect to be shot a bunch of times for bringing a gun.
No charges filed. How about animal cruelty for the officer shooting the injured bull several time in the gut?
If I were to shoot an adult bull in the head as he was laying down would anyone expect a 204 round to exit?
I am anything but anti cop but this sounds more like that bulls bowel movements than justice.
Hard to believe country cops could know so little about live in their county. It seems lore like. A man shows up legally drunk, with a firearm and one way or another discharges a round in the direction of the cops..cops return fire. Yantis had a blood alcohol level of .104 percent, the investigative report said. A level of .08 percent is considered intoxicated for motorists in Idaho. Wasden said “there’s nothing illegal about that in terms of being at his house.” Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/idaho/article92573452.html#storylink=cpyThis will add a bit of clarity. drover
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I guess this is another example of why I not only have no faith in the justice system and why I don't shed any tears when the cops are ambushed or killed. Us against them.
As far as I'm concerned blue lives don't matter until innocent lives matter.
Those pigs, prosecutors and the sheriff can rot in hell. Ates and Hates: You're so cute when you're being macho. And extremely narrow minded. If you ever need a cop, you'll probably whine that they didn't get to your aid in time.
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Let me see if I have this straight. If I am in Idaho and someone hist my bull with a car them I am called to dispatch my bull I should expect to be shot a bunch of times for bringing a gun.
No charges filed. How about animal cruelty for the officer shooting the injured bull several time in the gut?
If I were to shoot an adult bull in the head as he was laying down would anyone expect a 204 round to exit?
I am anything but anti cop but this sounds more like that bulls bowel movements than justice.
Hard to believe country cops could know so little about live in their county. It seems lore like. A man shows up legally drunk, with a firearm and one way or another discharges a round in the direction of the cops..cops return fire. Yantis had a blood alcohol level of .104 percent, the investigative report said. A level of .08 percent is considered intoxicated for motorists in Idaho. Wasden said “there’s nothing illegal about that in terms of being at his house.” Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/idaho/article92573452.html#storylink=cpyThis will add a bit of clarity. drover Th point being that...don't you think someone legally intoxicated may not make the appropriate decisions at such a time.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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I want to know where the .204 bullet was found.
Two readings I'm seeing here. Yantis fired his rifle "at" the deputies or Yantis fired his rifle "in the direction" of the deputies. That would be the big difference between justified shooting and overreacting.
Guy shows up with a rifle, he's drunk with bad muzzle and trigger control and has an ND in their direction, deputies kill him for that.
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Guy shows up with a rifle, he's drunk and careless where he's pointing the rifle, the deputy or deputies say something to him which sets him off, he deliberately fires at them, they kill him for that.
Hopefully the full forensics report will show where they found that .204 bullet.
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The Attorney General determines there is insufficient evidence.... Used to be that was left up to a jury of your peers. I'm especially confused by the testimony of both deputies saying he fired a shot towards them. And there was an empty case in the chamber. But the blood on the .204 bullet they found was Yantis'. So how did Yantis fire a shot toward the deputies, and yet the bullet hit Yantis? That would seem to put the testimony of the deputies into serious doubt. Investigators also found a .20-caliber round at the scene, and Yantis’ .204-caliber rifle had an empty shell casing in the chamber. An FBI ballistics expert who tested the .20-caliber round could not conclusively establish that the bullet came from Yantis’ rifle. Blood on the round was tested and found to be that of Yantis, the report said.
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The Attorney General determines there is insufficient evidence.... Used to be that was left up to a jury of your peers. I'm especially confused by the testimony of both deputies saying he fired a shot towards them. And there was an empty case in the chamber. But the blood on the .204 bullet they found was Yantis'. So how did Yantis fire a shot toward the deputies, and yet the bullet hit Yantis? That would seem to put the testimony of the deputies into serious doubt. Investigators also found a .20-caliber round at the scene, and Yantis’ .204-caliber rifle had an empty shell casing in the chamber. An FBI ballistics expert who tested the .20-caliber round could not conclusively establish that the bullet came from Yantis’ rifle. Blood on the round was tested and found to be that of Yantis, the report said. Scroll up and you'll see a very simple explanation for that...and likely something similar happened And it's usually up to prosecutors to determine whether they fIle charges or not
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It seems lore like. A man shows up legally drunk, with a firearm and one way or another discharges a round in the direction of the cops..cops return fire.
I see your point but since no one knows when he shot it leave a lot to guess about. I have killed a lot of cows all with a 22. Never shot one in the gut and never had to use a second shot. Drunk or sober if they had let him do the job they called him to do we would not be having this discussion. Statement as entered into evidence was that he fired at them first. At this point that is accepted fact There was also a statement he was grabbed from behind and turned around. If he was ready to shoot, finger on the trigger and jerked around that would account for his shot. But none of us were there and we will never know what really happened. As you well know four witnesses can tell 20 different accounts of the same incident.
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I don't shed any tears when the cops are ambushed or killed. Us against them.
At least your clear about your role in forwarding that rift....so long as your okay with being as responsible for the mentality at the "bad" cops in your AO, so be it. The good cops getting killed for whatever reason (or lack of one) and their families will, likely, get along just fine without your support. George I strive to be clear. At least your (sic) clear about your role in forwarding that rift....so long as you're okay with carrying the knowledge that bad cops nationwide along with the "good" ones that never speak out against them fosters the rift. I don't consider a cop "good" just because he hasn't murdered an innocent man. I consider a cop "good" when he doesn't accept bad behavior from his blue brothers. As for my AO, the 3 deputies around here are good and honest men. Men that I'd run to help without a second thought. Outside of my "AO" I'll watch and ignore any pleas for help. Your taking exception to my post but not taking exception to the murder of an innocent man is precisely the attitude that I'm talking about. And yeah those killed will get along without my support. Just like Mrs. Yantis will get along without your support. Eventually, and the day is fast approaching where you boys in blue will be begging for the support of law abiding citizens like me. Unfortunately for you guys your cries for help and support will fall on deaf ears with long memories. A little advice from a "civilian".......If you think that by virtue of cashing a government check is enough to elevate you and yours above the law, you're in for a rude awakening. You think we need you, we don't. You damn sure need "us", if for nothing else but a paycheck. Likely much much more when the day comes
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Scroll up and you'll see a very simple explanation for that...and likely something similar happened
And it's usually up to prosecutors to determine whether they fIle charges or not If the bullet impacted near his feet close enough for him to fall on it, it again casts a LOT of doubt that he was firing at a deputy. Unless you count firing at the ground near their feet. Yeah. Sure. Prosecutorial discretion - not just for Hillary.
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Investigators also found a .20-caliber round at the scene, and Yantis’ .204-caliber rifle had an empty shell casing in the chamber. An FBI ballistics expert who tested the .20-caliber round could not conclusively establish that the bullet came from Yantis’ rifle. Blood on the round was tested and found to be that of Yantis, the report said. Yantis' rifle had an empty .204 case in it. One .204 bullet was found at the scene, yet the FBI can't conclusively establish that the bullet came from Yantis' rifle. Okay, that's a valid statement. They can't conclusively match the bullet to the barrel. So how many other .204 rifles were at the scene? I think the guy on the grassy knoll was the second .204 shooter.....
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