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ken,

Please explain this comment for me. Since it's a definitive non sequitur, I'm left wondering how you were able establish a nexus between what I've written and Hitler and Jews.

But since you brought it up, I'm sure that Hitler probably had Genrikh Yagoda's extermination of over 10 million Russian Christians on his mind, not that religion influenced Hitler. Hitler was atheist. There is scholarly research that Heinrich Himmler's death camps were modeled after Yagoda's Soviet death camps.

Hitler seemed to have had conflicting beliefs about Jews. There were at least 150,000 Jews in the Nazi army, and the Judenrat, all Jews, ran the Himmler's death camps, under the watchful eye of the SS, of course. So Hitler obviously trusted some Jews, as some were officers in the Nazi army.

Nothing I have written previously had alluded to these facts, so I'm suspicious of how you drew such an erroneous conclusion. I'm hoping it wasn't an intentional act for an unknown purpose.

The less people know, the more inclined they are to believe the fanciful, the sensationalistic, the downright absurd.

Germany not making truly heavy bombers.

Germany not obliterating GB airfields and production facilities.

Germany not producing enough submarines, to starve out GB.

Germany not ramping up production of jet fighters, much earlier in the war.

Germany not having a semi-auto rifles for their troops.

Germany for attacking USSR.

hello SakoAV- no, no hidden agenda on my part. A few counter points though. I was referring to your statement ".... But private bankers of the Federal Reserve, backed by assurance of the 16th Amendment, made huge money off of dead American soldiers in a war we should have avoided.

Hitler blamed Jewish bankers and capitalists for profiting off the first world war at the expense of the German people - and in fact people on both sides of the war. It was not meant as an aspersion.


Next, if Hitler was not intending to conquer the world what about his famous statement- "Today Germany, tomorrow the world?" I would not equate an ambivalence to Hitler that I might to say Obama's red line in the sand. If it wasn't actually uttered by him directly it certainly was a common enough phrase in the party.


Lastly, in respsonse to your statement that Hitler was an atheist.

“Besides that, I believe one thing: there is a Lord God! And this Lord God creates the peoples.” [1] ~Adolf Hitler

Quote acquired from Michael Sherlock's "The Atheist Atrocities Fallacy".

I know we are off on tangents and have hijacked the OP's thread. Glad for a civil discourse on the subject as I have been on both sides of the fence on FDR in the past and try to keep an open mind.

Been enjoying this discourse



First I've heard of that, either from written accounts or from talking to several actual German survivors of the war in prior decades when more of the WWII generation were still alive, including former military and youth organizations.



A guy who diverted enormous amounts of energy and resources to the extermination of millions of Jews throughout the progress of the war, frequently to the extent of impeding the actual German war effort, had "conflicting beliefs about Jews"?

And I would hardly concede that allowing some of the damned and enslaved to perform the more mundane tasks in Hell, ie. the Judenrat in the concentration camps, constitutes the SS "trusting" the Jews.

If some members of the German military were known or suspected to be of at least partly Jewish ancestry (as was Hitler himself IIRC), surely that was tolerated because in their deeds and actions these people participated 100% in the war effort in obedience to the government.

I know that the SS contained a fringe group of Nazi true believers and so are perhaps not representative of the whole, but somewhere around here a couple of years back there was reference to a Jewish guy who had concealed his identity and ended up in the SS.

He wrote with affection of his comrades alongside whom he endured intense combat and the brotherhood that generates, but also conceded that if these same men had discovered he was actually Jewish, even after all they had endured, they would have killed him in a heartbeat.

Birdwatcher

Glad you chimed in Birdy. So what is your take on FDR -and have you read much (or any) on both sides of the opinion concerning him- or Churchill for that matter?

I'm one of those who is only as smart as his latest website, and am not especially well informed on either FDR or Churchill.

I do think the flow of World events has always been less predictable than it might appear to those drawing some conclusions after the fact. Along those lines I'd guess that the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was a lot less apparent at the time than a few snippets of valuable intelligence amid a blizzard of irrelevant data might have made apparent.

Even if there was some degree of premeditation going in, I'll not say our involvement in that war was a bad thing nor in vain. It gave us the World we take for granted today, where unparalleled peace and prosperity has reined now for more than a half-century.

Just my opinion.

Birdwatcher