Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Finn Aagaard On The 270 Win And 7x57

I lost an old friend last year to cancer,he was in his 70s and was a devoted fan of the 270 with the original 130 Silvertip load. He had a stash of them and worried that they would run out before he left this world.

He only hunted one spot,a pipeline right of way that faced north where he could see about a quarter mile. He would kill a dandy buck just about every year in his stand,and said close or far the Silvertips were very quick killers. But he said they penetratred like crazy too. He had hogs on his lease and loved to line up two big ones and kill them with a single shot. He did this stunt many,many times. The original 130 grain Silvertip was a pretty tough bullet

I have a friend here in Montana who has a bunch of 130 Silvertips recovered from elk. His father bought 1000 in a single batch years ago, and all ended up in "perfect mushrooms."

But the original Silvertips were highly variable in performance, depending on when they were made. One of the very few instances I've witnessed of a bullet actually coming apart on a deer and failing to penetrate was a 150-grain Silvertip from a .30-06, and the buck was a forkhorn mule deer about 200 yards away. The bullet hit the shoulder joint and never made it through the ribs. Have other stories as well, and not just from that batch.

Jack O'Connor was a Silvertip fan. I've taken Moose, bear, deer, and turkey with them and they worked great. But that was in 30-30 and .32 Special.

Interesting but what is missing is that the 7x57 was designed to shoot a long, heavy (175 gr) cup and core bullet at moderate velocity to open up 2 calibers and penetrate forever. The 270 WCF was a hotrod for medium game using a 130 gr bullet that would open up quickly and kill w/o much penetration.

Either can be reworked to mirror the other with today's bullets and powders, given the limitations of twist issues.

So, today, outside of enjoying it, there is really no reason for a debate.

Just a guess, but I think Shrapnel was doing a mild dump on the short action lunacy by men who are generally a bit chubby. Happily all the shorties have died except the 300 WSM which does nothing a 300 WinMag won't except feed poorly and have hard to find ammo.

Own 3 7x57s (no.1), 2 270s (M70 & No.1) 1 7mm08 (Marlin)
and all work fine and with proper handloads are redundant.
7mm08 stainless is on the block as it's boringly perfect.

Always loved Finn with his 375 H&H wearing a K 2.5 in Weaver mounts which, we all "know" is a lousy rig.

Buzz off larry.

Using two screen names simultaneously, after being asked to leave on numerous occasions? Seems that's enough right there to answer his own questions.


Poor Larry Root, misunderstood Larry Root.... Why, why, why?

Northman,

Unfortunately, that's not how Finn pronounced his name. Maybe it was "modified" by years his family spent in Kenya and then Texas.

The additional vowels in the Scandinavian languages (Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish) are tough for Americans to hear and pronounce. I will never grasp the difference in the sound for the Danish words for "cheese" and "east." The first is "ost" and the second is "øst". I am afraid I ask "May I have some more east, please?"

Heaven help me if they invent a 27ø.

Jerry

The misses butted in here..

Ofcourse depending on the US dialect,

Å sounds like Awe
and
gård sounds like gored.


Awe - Gored


Very similar!



And, speaking of the Danes, they have a very strange language. Even though we used to vacation there every summer when I was younger, its still difficult to understand them. Very guttural language.

Language professors, estimate that the south and north won`t not understand each other in a 100 years.

Interesting on Aagaard's name pronunciation Northman, thanks for the further clarification.

My last name is a somewhat simpler Norwegian name than Finn's that still is only rarely pronounced correctly here, though I did find in Norway I actually pronounce it as they do.

Scandinavian languages are not simple!

And PS, it always cracked me up Finn refused to call the 6.5x55 a "Swede."

I'm with him on that

O K !

reason ?

Matters not to me.

Jerry

The 6.5x55 was not exclusively a Swedish development, much less designed for their Mauser actions.

Instead it was co-designed by a joint commission of what was then the United Kingdom of Norway and Sweden in 1891. Each country then chose their own rifle to fire the cartridge, a process that took about three years. The Norwegians chose the Krag-Jorgensen action, the last of three nations to do so after Denmark and the U.S., even though it was designed by a pair of Norwegians. The Swedes chose the 1894 Mauser action.

Thnx MD

I knew 'some' of that but not all of it. I appreciate the details.

Jerry

Back up for the 270 fans...

Especially now that it's become the .270 Relative Long, Skinny Magnum with the introduction of Reloder 26....

John,

Can you please update us on Reloder 26 in the 270?

thanks

Har!

Dober found me a lb of the stuff on his way back from MN... hard to find around here. Looking forward to trying it out.

Vern,

I've settled on a charge of 60.5 grains with the 150 Partition in my Model 70 (an O'Connor Commemorative Featherweight), slightly under the 60.8 grains Alliant lists as maximum with the Partition. Last week on a 70-degree day, it averaged 3013 fps with the chronograph 15 feet from the muzzle, and two 4-shot groups averaged a little over an inch.