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FWIW, according to some sources, the sugar lobby is invested to the level of 40% (in lobbying) while farming less than 1% of the farmland.

Anyone who patronizes the sugar industry through their consumption is therefore complicit as well.



Kind of reminds me of those protesters who wake up in their homes which have walls plastered inside and out with coatings, membranes, and sheets of polymers of various kinds, and floors protected with finishes of oil, wax, and vinyl, get into cars built of steel and plastic, drive on roads made of asphalt, to assemble for a protest of 'big oil' or coal.

You left out his membership in Americas fifth column, therefore your submission for this years KOTY award is hereby disqualified...

The problem of corporate welfare or subsidies or whatever you want to call transfer payments of taxpayers' money is that we are forced to surrender part of what we've earned for the benefit of others. Regardless of euphemisms or spin, when we are forced to work for the benefit of others, we're known as slaves. We work, our salaries are taxed, and part of that tax is transferred to another class of persons. Some are ghetto rats and some are farmers. It doesn't matter. It's free money.

If you know who's received governmental largess, you can predict who they're really supporting, and they ain't conservatives. Conservatives want free market capitalism where consumers and not government decide who succeeds and who doesn't.

While elkhunternm is assuredly much smaller than Archer Daniels Midland, they both receive money from government; hence, it was easy to predict that ADM was going to donate to Bush 41 who justified ADM transfer payments by citing ethanol bullshit. What Bush 41 did was transfer our tax dollars to ADM whereupon ADM used that same tax money to donate to Bush 41. It's a brilliant scheme that rivals any organized criminal syndicate, it's legal, and taxpayers are none the wiser.

Conservatives want to eliminate subsidies. Neocons, who are worse than liberals, favor transfer payments for the same reason Democrats favor them: VOTES. We, the People get screwed in the end. Government transfers our money to farmers who support politicians who'll keep money flowing to them. They don't care whether we lose all of what little liberties we have remaining as long as transfer payments recipients continue to feed at the trough of taxpayers' money.

Trump's in. That was a done deal on the day he announced his candidacy. Let's see of he can coax legislation that eliminates corporate welfare.

I'd be surprised if a Trump presidency even talks about farm subsidies. I'm guessing that is pretty low down the list

Dude...it's way past time for you to change your screen name...do you REALLY think ANYBODY here sees you as anything but a troll??? elkhunternm this...elkhunternm that...get a life you pathetic bitch...

I don't know the back story on this. Why does this guy hate elkhunternm so much?

Or is it just farmers in general?

SakoAzzforVagina is a f-tard felon and Elkhunter has been pushing his buttons a bit and exposing him for what he is.

Thanks to the American farmer we spend less of our disposable income on food than any other nation in the world. To all out there who till the fields and tend the animals. THANK YOU!

I love seeing those that bitch about farmers doing so with a full stomach!!

I love seeing those that bitch about farmers doing so with a full stomach!!

Farmers REALLY have a bitch of their own because all the food stamp $$$$$ are tied to the agricultural budget!!

Course....city slickers that just walk around on asphalt and concrete all day don't have a clue....as usual!!

If you think it's so great.....I'd suggest you get your happy azz out there and get some of it!!

With grain and cattle prices as low as they currently are, many farmers do need help.

"They" don't say that farming/ranching is a way of life, not a job, for no good reason. Farming/ranching is a constant gamble and not for the faint of heart. With the high cost of land, even poor land, young people face a huge obstacle getting into farming and I don't know of any young farm family that is making it just off the income earned on the farm. All of the farm families that I know in Nebraska depend on an outside source of income, usually the Wife is working in town and the Farmer has a second job, or skill, that he does between harvest in the Fall and planting in the Spring.

One of my best friends is a farmer and he does well, because he is frugal, very competent, and has (so far) been very lucky. He was raised on a wheat farm in SD, loves the quiet life, being his own boss, and living miles from civilization (McDonald's and Wal-Mart). Between harvest and planting, he "flips" farm equipment, mostly combines and tractors, and employs two other younger farmers between 11/1 and 4/1. The income from his "2nd job" allows him to buy newer equipment for himself, maintain a 50 year old Cessna 337, and buy an occasional firearms or 2.

You have no idea what we spend for food. You buy milk for a few bucks, but have no idea what the subsidies cost. We would be better off without subsidies, and paying higher prices, taking the bureaucrats out of the producer to consumer chain. Look into how New Zealand ended subsidies. They estimated 10+ years to get it done, while losing over half of farmers. It was completed in half the time, with few farmers going broke.

Cattle prices are high now. Have been for a couple of years.

Before that, for about 20 years it was a "may break even" proposition.

I have every faith that cattle prices will plummet again though.

If all you can do in farming is break even, then why do it?





Dave

Don't know where you've been lately, but cattle prices are LOWER.....much LOWER. Feeder calves have dropped about a dollar a pound compared to where they were a couple of years ago. We usually sell our calves off the cow at around 500 pounds or so. Those calves today will bring in the $1.20 to $1.40 range, depending on whether they are steers or heifers, and how they grade. At one time, they were well over $2 a pound. Have you noticed meat prices at the grocery going down that much?

I dunno. Never been a farmer.

Lots don't anymore. More and more out of business every year.

I wouldn't work for free either.




Dave

rockinbar , you are a bit behind ......cattle price has been dropping like a rock

fats running maybe $1.05/lb hereabouts recently

Oh, I watch the markets.

Last year calves were around $2 per pound.

At $1.40 now a calf still brings close to $1000.

3-4 years ago we were lucky to get .85 cents. For years before that, we were lucky to get .85 as well. Many years.

I'll take $1.40 over .85 any day, and twice on Sunday.

May not be $2, but still better than what it was.

The aspect that bothers me is the got paying farmers NOT to farm. Such as subsidies for that rediculous "no till" farming


I've never seen a no till crop I'd even let be known was my field...but hey uncle sugar pays them to grow less yields