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Jesus Christ has not failed us and will not fail us. We have failed Him.
Our schools have done great since we got Him kicked out of school.
Our muzzy and South American refugees have done well since we elected heathens to office.
He didnt fail us. He told us what would happen to our country when we turned from Him and to our own understanding. He showed us what would happen to us by punishing Israel for the world to see.
He had Moses tell Pharaoh what would happen to him and his country for defying Him. He then did to Pharaoh and his country what he said He would.
He will do it here too. You realize Moses was a fictional character, right?
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People aren't saying they reject Jesus...they're saying they reject church. Too bad it doesnt work that way.
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chiner has some catching up to do sounds like. there's 1.3 billion people over there, and there's some .3 billion people over here.
sounds like there's room for some evangelizing to be done over there by folks who are in that line of business.
looking back through the ages, religion has always been in tough territory. there's a multitude of gods carcasses laying in the ditch on both sides of the road in the sweep of human history. there's been few, or very few survivors. and we're still whittling down the population of gods that purport to have an interest in the humans down here on the earth.
just a quick example for attention are the mayan, aztec, etc group. the viking gods, the german gods, the old roman gods. some say the egyptian gods are extinct. i don't know if they are or not. but through time, many of the lesser gods have been kicked to the curb. ol YHWH himself doesn't seem to be faring all
that well in the face of newer competition.
i know the religious ecology has managed to whittle the number of Greeks gods down from an initial number greater than a 100, down to about 3 maximum in the current day. reckon that number might go lower? Gus, most of the members of this forum are atheist towards all gods except their own. I just go one god further. Said Richard Dawkins.
It's about like this:
"Do you puff peters?"
"Hell no!"
"NAZI!!!"
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People aren't saying they reject Jesus...they're saying they reject church. Too bad it doesnt work that way. Uh... Please, bless us with more of that intellect.
It's about like this:
"Do you puff peters?"
"Hell no!"
"NAZI!!!"
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I have no desire to engage in a theological debate on the internets....but suffice to say that one can know and accept Jesus Christ as your saviour without attending and participating in church....but if you have truly accepted him as your saviour, and adhere to his teachings, you won't want to.
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Jesus Christ has not failed us and will not fail us. We have failed Him.
Our schools have done great since we got Him kicked out of school.
Our muzzy and South American refugees have done well since we elected heathens to office.
He didnt fail us. He told us what would happen to our country when we turned from Him and to our own understanding. He showed us what would happen to us by punishing Israel for the world to see.
He had Moses tell Pharaoh what would happen to him and his country for defying Him. He then did to Pharaoh and his country what he said He would.
He will do it here too. You realize Moses was a fictional character, right? And you are a fictional animal.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Mojo, as the starter of this thread, do you understand any distinction between "religion" as "religious organizations" and "religion" the religious beliefs and commitments of individuals (including those of like faith who bond in beliefs and worship)? If you do, kindly explain such understanding(s). Looks like you didn't read the study. Obviously, your vision is lousy - like your logic. The question/request was not about the study, it was with regard to the poster. If you'd read the study you would know there was questions in it addressing exactly this question, pre-nullifying your question. If you wanted to address this question, you could of done so more effectively address the study, but that was not your intent. Per usual, you are just here to throw stones. It's just what he does. He can't help it, it would seem. He likes to make personal attacks while feigning intellectual superiority. Watch him do it again soon.
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One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
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Jesus Christ has not failed us and will not fail us. We have failed Him.
Our schools have done great since we got Him kicked out of school.
Our muzzy and South American refugees have done well since we elected heathens to office.
He didnt fail us. He told us what would happen to our country when we turned from Him and to our own understanding. He showed us what would happen to us by punishing Israel for the world to see.
He had Moses tell Pharaoh what would happen to him and his country for defying Him. He then did to Pharaoh and his country what he said He would.
He will do it here too. You realize Moses was a fictional character, right? And you are a fictional animal. Humans are animals, but there is nothing fictional about me.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Yes, like stupidly accusing someone he is who he isnt?
Like saying a country developed by believers with its precepts based on Biblical truths and which became the strongest nation in the history of the earth, and the wealthiest, a nation dictated by Him to control the gates of its enemies and prophecied to do so, was not wealthy because it had been a christian nation?
The truth is not in you or AS.
Ecc 10:2
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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Even though the numbers of people who say they are religiously unaffiliated is increasing, there is no real increase in the numbers of people who say they are atheist or agnostic. People aren’t saying they don’t believe in God...they’re saying they don’t believe in religion. People aren't saying they reject Jesus...they're saying they reject church. Exactly where I am....for almost forty years.
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The word religion or religious is mentioned only 7 times in he King James bible. In most instances, it was in a derogatory manner. Jesus wasn't looking for religious people, he was looking for sinners in need of salvation. Muslims are religious, buddists are religious, mormons are religious....in fact, there are over 20,000 different religions in the world. But there is only ONE way to get into heaven and you CAN'T earn it....it is a free gift that you either accept or reject. Most people are trying to be "good enough", hoping their good deeds outweigh the bad, but it doesn't work like that. All our good deeds are like filthy rags before a holy God. God sent his son, Jesus Christ, to die for the sins of the world. Belief in Christ as a person is not how you get saved, even the devils believe. Uou must accept that you are a sinner, cannot save yourself, that Christ died for you, arose from the grave. He gave his life in your place because you had no way to get to heaven on your own. Allah had no son and is a false god at best.
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The word religion or religious is mentioned only 7 times in he King James bible. In most instances, it was in a derogatory manner. Jesus wasn't looking for religious people, he was looking for sinners in need of salvation. Muslims are religious, buddists are religious, mormons are religious....in fact, there are over 20,000 different religions in the world. But there is only ONE way to get into heaven and you CAN'T earn it....it is a free gift that you either accept or reject. Most people are trying to be "good enough", hoping their good deeds outweigh the bad, but it doesn't work like that. All our good deeds are like filthy rags before a holy God. God sent his son, Jesus Christ, to die for the sins of the world. Belief in Christ as a person is not how you get saved, even the devils believe. Uou must accept that you are a sinner, cannot save yourself, that Christ died for you, arose from the grave. He gave his life in your place because you had no way to get to heaven on your own. Allah had no son and is a false god at best. Absolutely
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Which, if true, would explain the demise of this country as we once knew it. Once you get away from common sense being good and treating others the same way, the good country is no longer. A shame it is. But like a few others, if you are non religious, why would you even care?
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Yes, like stupidly accusing someone he is who he isnt?
Like saying a country developed by believers with its precepts based on Biblical truths and which became the strongest nation in the history of the earth, and the wealthiest, a nation dictated by Him to control the gates of its enemies and prophecied to do so, was not wealthy because it had been a christian nation?
The truth is not in you or AS. This country is not bases on the Bible. Lets compare the 10 Exodus version of the 10 commandments to the 10 Amendments of our Constitutuion. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. vs. our First Amendment.. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.... Within the Second Commandment: I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; vs. our Fifth Amendment, 6th, and 7th Amendments: 5th: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. 6th: n all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. 7th: In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law 3rd Commandment: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. vs. First Amendment: Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. How about the 10th Commandment: Thou shalt not covet... This is the imposition of a THOUGHT CRIME. vs. the 4th Amedment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. And how about the whole Hell thing introduced by Jesus, vs. the 8th Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Our legal system is in no way brought to us by the religion that brought us the Inquisition.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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The word religion or religious is mentioned only 7 times in he King James bible. In most instances, it was in a derogatory manner. Jesus wasn't looking for religious people, he was looking for sinners in need of salvation. Muslims are religious, buddists are religious, mormons are religious....in fact, there are over 20,000 different religions in the world. But there is only ONE way to get into heaven and you CAN'T earn it....it is a free gift that you either accept or reject. Most people are trying to be "good enough", hoping their good deeds outweigh the bad, but it doesn't work like that. All our good deeds are like filthy rags before a holy God. God sent his son, Jesus Christ, to die for the sins of the world. Belief in Christ as a person is not how you get saved, even the devils believe. Uou must accept that you are a sinner, cannot save yourself, that Christ died for you, arose from the grave. He gave his life in your place because you had no way to get to heaven on your own. Allah had no son and is a false god at best. Vicarious redemption. You were bad, so let's murder an innocent......yea....that doesn't really make any sense......
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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antelope_sniper, Vicarious redemption.
You were bad, so let's murder an innocent......yea....that doesn't really make any sense...... Your faith is strong. You demonstrate again you don't begin to comprehend the rules the Rule Maker made.
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The word religion or religious is mentioned only 7 times in he King James bible. In most instances, it was in a derogatory manner. Jesus wasn't looking for religious people, he was looking for sinners in need of salvation. Muslims are religious, buddists are religious, mormons are religious....in fact, there are over 20,000 different religions in the world. But there is only ONE way to get into heaven and you CAN'T earn it....it is a free gift that you either accept or reject. Most people are trying to be "good enough", hoping their good deeds outweigh the bad, but it doesn't work like that. All our good deeds are like filthy rags before a holy God. God sent his son, Jesus Christ, to die for the sins of the world. Belief in Christ as a person is not how you get saved, even the devils believe. Uou must accept that you are a sinner, cannot save yourself, that Christ died for you, arose from the grave. He gave his life in your place because you had no way to get to heaven on your own. Allah had no son and is a false god at best. Vicarious redemption. You were bad, so let's murder an innocent......yea....that doesn't really make any sense...... You are right, it does not make sense. But God said " without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sins". God also said his ways are hgher than your ways and beyond finding out, so I expect we'll just have to believe he knows best how to forgive sins.
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You were bad, so let's murder an innocent......yea....that doesn't really make any sense...... The attempt to apply the common sense of man to the decision of the divine is the base reason for mans fall from grace.
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The word religion or religious is mentioned only 7 times in he King James bible. In most instances, it was in a derogatory manner. Jesus wasn't looking for religious people, he was looking for sinners in need of salvation. Muslims are religious, buddists are religious, mormons are religious....in fact, there are over 20,000 different religions in the world. But there is only ONE way to get into heaven and you CAN'T earn it....it is a free gift that you either accept or reject. Most people are trying to be "good enough", hoping their good deeds outweigh the bad, but it doesn't work like that. All our good deeds are like filthy rags before a holy God. God sent his son, Jesus Christ, to die for the sins of the world. Belief in Christ as a person is not how you get saved, even the devils believe. Uou must accept that you are a sinner, cannot save yourself, that Christ died for you, arose from the grave. He gave his life in your place because you had no way to get to heaven on your own. Allah had no son and is a false god at best. Vicarious redemption. You were bad, so let's murder an innocent......yea....that doesn't really make any sense...... You are right, it does not make sense. But God said " without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sins". God also said his ways are hgher than your ways and beyond finding out, so I expect we'll just have to believe he knows best how to forgive sins. No. I don't have to believe anything without sufficient reason, and there is no sufficient reason to believe the all powerful, all knowing all kind creator of the universe could not forgive without the shedding of blood. In addition, your assertion that his ways are beyond finding out is an assertion without evidence, that can be dismissed without evidence.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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You were bad, so let's murder an innocent......yea....that doesn't really make any sense...... The attempt to apply the common sense of man to the decision of the divine is the base reason for mans fall from grace. No, I'm applying modern logic to a bronze age religion. There is nothing "divine" about murdering an innocent for the sins of another.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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