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I was baptized Catholic, and come from a long line of Catholics marrying Presbyterians.
My wife is Anglican, but since there is no Anglican church here, she goes to the Presbyterian.
I dont anymore, but the wife and kids do. Which suits me fine.
I dont have anything against the local churches, in fact they have started doing more stuff together, like multi denominational Christmas masses. That also suits me fine.
In this stage of my life, I find it easier to be spiritual out here on my land, not in a church surrounded by people I dont like to spend time with.
I am not an athiest, but will not tolerate shunning people for not believing exactly what some group of people believe.
Tolerance and compassion only for people who live, look, and think like us is something that bothers the crap out of me, and wont be part of a group that acts that way.
I am not a bible scholar, but I just can believe that God or Jesus or who ever would want the people in a church to run the gays or other groups out into the cold in the name of "religion".
I get by nicely out here on the barren prairie by trying to live by the golden rule.
I am MAGA.
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Maybe we should all just get along, right, and be happy with the fact the muzzies are helped along in their efforts to come get us, even by some churches which profess to believe in Jesus Christ but reject His warnings not to let the heathens into our nation for their sons to mingle with our daughters nor their daughters to mingle with our sons, Gus.
They want us to not only take in the Trojan horse, but let them in without the horse. the details are fuzzy, but didn't ol moses marry a daughter of an egyptian priest? it does seem like the issue of foreign gods, and strange foreign women have been clouding the picture nearly forever. it's difficult to keep things pure. salame could probably dance, but was she worthy? on the subject of homosexuality, my position is evolving, like the big-finned american cars of the late 50's have evolved to the japanese made aerodynamic cars of the post-modern era. the thinking goes like this: back in the day, every man & woman was needed to be a successful breeder of new or additional children. the earth was large, unconquered, and the human population was under threat of being wiped out due to the few numbers of humans and the level of technology available to them. nowadays, we have shot far passed those issues, risks, and concerns. now overpopulation is the wolf that is stalking us, and knocking on the door. we humans can afford for a certain element or sub-element to not to have to breed and raise kids to sustain the population. we've reached and crossed over that threshold. so, homo's have a service of value to offer. they are not contributing to the over-population of the earth. we're not in kansas anymore.
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Ok, just kidding AS. I too watch them like a hawk. There are lots of lowlifes who sit near the front and go to church not to worship or have fellowship, but to get business. He WILL seperate
the wheat from the chaff. I feel for anyone who spends eternity with snakes, but a real believer will not be harmed by their poison in the long run.
PS. I dont hate athiests, other than Hitlary and Zero, and i dont hate those snakes because of their unbelief in Jesus. HIllary and Zero both claim to be Christians. I think, like me, it's their Marxism you hate.
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I didn't like church.
It was full of sinners.
The worst ambassador of a belief system, is usually the average practitioner.
Got a coworker, atheist, who posts lots of memes on social media...........not in support of his view, but in the degradation of opposing views.
You'd think one so enlightened would maybe take the high road.
I do find it funny, how those in support for or against religion, on social media...........who post such nonsense..........are almost always those of past substance abuse and/or were never good students.
Sometimes it's OK to fault the message coming from certain messengers.
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Ok, just kidding AS. I too watch them like a hawk. There are lots of lowlifes who sit near the front and go to church not to worship or have fellowship, but to get business. He WILL seperate
the wheat from the chaff. I feel for anyone who spends eternity with snakes, but a real believer will not be harmed by their poison in the long run.
PS. I dont hate athiests, other than Hitlary and Zero, and i dont hate those snakes because of their unbelief in Jesus. HIllary and Zero both claim to be Christians. I think, like me, it's their Marxism you hate. obama is probably a true blue marxist, possibly at least. hillary is a snake in the grass. her family were far-right republicans. she married into the clinton clan. like trump, she a true capitalist. unfortunately her political stripes requires her to sell socialism to allow for the potential of continued political success. she would enslave her own grandmother to ensure success of the clinton foundation and her other enterprises. clinton is self-serving, and would allow both capitalism and socialism to wither on the vine if it profited her personally. she doesn't care about this country, only herself.
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My wife tells me, "Don't do business with Christians if you don't want to get screwed," and she is serious.
Thank her for me. I really like being called a cheat by someone who has never meet me or had any dealings with me. It shows Christ's love shines through her to fellow believers. I had intended to try to get together 2ith you on my next trip your way but seeing how she feels about me I will just keep on driving. Scott, I worked customer disputes at a large brokerage firm for several years. Anytime someone brought up their religion during a dispute, they would attempt to leverage it for money. Not once did I ever hear, "because I'm a good Christian I will pay what I owe". It was always, I'm a good (insert religion, or ethnicity here), so you should give me money. I would amend Ringman's statement (after all, he just told everyone to never do business with him!) to I'd be very caution about doing business with anyone who claimed their religion was a reason I should do business with them. Of course, that's a minority of Christian. Most Christians I do business with convinced me they have the best product at the best price, and never mention their religion.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I have no problem with "fishers of men".
But when they throw a big crankbait out first thing........
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I didn't like church.
It was full of sinners.
The worst ambassador of a belief system, is usually the average practitioner.
Got a coworker, atheist, who posts lots of memes on social media...........not in support of his view, but in the degradation of opposing views.
You'd think one so enlightened would maybe take the high road.
I do find it funny, how those in support for or against religion, on social media...........who post such nonsense..........are almost always those of past substance abuse and/or were never good students.
Sometimes it's OK to fault the message coming from certain messengers.
Just because someone is correct on a single question, that does not mean they are "enlightened".
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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If one puts the religious stuff out there on advertising/other..........kinda like going to a used car salesman with "honest" in his store name.
No thanks.
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Guy makes custom recurves. Puts Biblical quotes on them.
Trade show, guy I knew was helping that booth, asked me to shoot a couple of demo rigs.
Shot them very well, with owner watching.
He was a total d*ck about it.
I just advertised his stuff with a darn good run, and he's all p*ssy about it?
Proly because I had a Blackwidow shirt on.
Fugg 'em.
Got no problem with the Book. Just the moron that supposedly champions it on his wares.
But like my mom always said............church is for sinners. Some are struggling to find their way, others think they have arrived. Some are smart. Most are stupid.
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Some A holes believe. Some don't.
I personally don't care what people believe, but if they subscribe to a certain faith.....I kinda expect them to follow it.
The corruption for temporary comfort......p*sses me off.
If one takes issue with a belief system, fine...........start your own.
Don't jack with the other one.
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Maybe we should all just get along, right, and be happy with the fact the muzzies are helped along in their efforts to come get us, even by some churches which profess to believe in Jesus Christ but reject His warnings not to let the heathens into our nation for their sons to mingle with our daughters nor their daughters to mingle with our sons, Gus.
They want us to not only take in the Trojan horse, but let them in without the horse. the details are fuzzy, but didn't ol moses marry a daughter of an egyptian priest? it does seem like the issue of foreign gods, and strange foreign women have been clouding the picture nearly forever. it's difficult to keep things pure. salame could probably dance, but was she worthy? on the subject of homosexuality, my position is evolving, like the big-finned american cars of the late 50's have evolved to the japanese made aerodynamic cars of the post-modern era. the thinking goes like this: back in the day, every man & woman was needed to be a successful breeder of new or additional children. the earth was large, unconquered, and the human population was under threat of being wiped out due to the few numbers of humans and the level of technology available to them. nowadays, we have shot far passed those issues, risks, and concerns. now overpopulation is the wolf that is stalking us, and knocking on the door. we humans can afford for a certain element or sub-element to not to have to breed and raise kids to sustain the population. we've reached and crossed over that threshold. so, homo's have a service of value to offer. they are not contributing to the over-population of the earth. we're not in kansas anymore. Gus, This issue homosexuality is a question of economics, When you have limited resources and can only feed so many people, it becomes more important to examine the contribution of each individual and how it affect the survival of the civilization. In parts of ancient Greece, at least in Sparta, babies with deformities we "exposed", or left on a mountain top to die. Now, we spend millions of dollars to save them. Today the most productive farmers in history, the American farmer, although making up only 2% of our population, produce enough food to feed our country two and and have time. This is a big difference between now and when the Bible was written. Today feeding a deadbeat is not tantamount to death for a producing citizen, so we give the dead beats more leeway. Yes, Gus, times have changed over the past few thousand years.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Guy makes custom recurves. Puts Biblical quotes on them.
Trade show, guy I knew was helping that booth, asked me to shoot a couple of demo rigs.
Shot them very well, with owner watching.
He was a total d*ck about it.
I just advertised his stuff with a darn good run, and he's all p*ssy about it?
Proly because I had a Blackwidow shirt on.
Fugg 'em.
Got no problem with the Book. Just the moron that supposedly champions it on his wares.
But like my mom always said............church is for sinners. Some are struggling to find their way, others think they have arrived. Some are smart. Most are stupid. the true purists who walk among us are clamoring for a "better" system. and well it should be. but unfortunately the way it is now is probably as good as it gets. an old governor down here, while his state prisons were under federal court orders, remarked that the problem with the prison system was that they needed to attract a higher quality inmate.
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I was baptized Catholic, and come from a long line of Catholics marrying Presbyterians.
My wife is Anglican, but since there is no Anglican church here, she goes to the Presbyterian.
I dont anymore, but the wife and kids do. Which suits me fine.
I dont have anything against the local churches, in fact they have started doing more stuff together, like multi denominational Christmas masses. That also suits me fine.
In this stage of my life, I find it easier to be spiritual out here on my land, not in a church surrounded by people I dont like to spend time with.
I am not an athiest, but will not tolerate shunning people for not believing exactly what some group of people believe.
Tolerance and compassion only for people who live, look, and think like us is something that bothers the crap out of me, and wont be part of a group that acts that way.
I am not a bible scholar, but I just can believe that God or Jesus or who ever would want the people in a church to run the gays or other groups out into the cold in the name of "religion".
I get by nicely out here on the barren prairie by trying to live by the golden rule. Jim, A couple of my in-laws got sucked in by one of the "shunning" Millerite churches. The things I dislike about it the most is they tell the wife not to take her medication (God will heal here), and they've separated him from the family. So he's lost an important support mechanism, and he won't come hunting and fishing with us anymore.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Maybe we should all just get along, right, and be happy with the fact the muzzies are helped along in their efforts to come get us, even by some churches which profess to believe in Jesus Christ but reject His warnings not to let the heathens into our nation for their sons to mingle with our daughters nor their daughters to mingle with our sons, Gus.
They want us to not only take in the Trojan horse, but let them in without the horse. the details are fuzzy, but didn't ol moses marry a daughter of an egyptian priest? it does seem like the issue of foreign gods, and strange foreign women have been clouding the picture nearly forever. it's difficult to keep things pure. salame could probably dance, but was she worthy? on the subject of homosexuality, my position is evolving, like the big-finned american cars of the late 50's have evolved to the japanese made aerodynamic cars of the post-modern era. the thinking goes like this: back in the day, every man & woman was needed to be a successful breeder of new or additional children. the earth was large, unconquered, and the human population was under threat of being wiped out due to the few numbers of humans and the level of technology available to them. nowadays, we have shot far passed those issues, risks, and concerns. now overpopulation is the wolf that is stalking us, and knocking on the door. we humans can afford for a certain element or sub-element to not to have to breed and raise kids to sustain the population. we've reached and crossed over that threshold. so, homo's have a service of value to offer. they are not contributing to the over-population of the earth. we're not in kansas anymore. Gus, This issue homosexuality is a question of economics, When you have limited resources and can only feed so many people, it becomes more important to examine the contribution of each individual and how it affect the survival of the civilization. In parts of ancient Greece, at least in Sparta, babies with deformities we "exposed", or left on a mountain top to die. Now, we spend millions of dollars to save them. Today the most productive farmers in history, the American farmer, although making up only 2% of our population, produce enough food to feed our country two and and have time. This is a big difference between now and when the Bible was written. Today feeding a deadbeat is not tantamount to death for a producing citizen, so we give the dead beats more leeway. Yes, Gus, times have changed over the past few thousand years. a friend of a friend has a republic of south africa citizen who is his fiance. she travels to our part of ne georgia fairly frequently. when she arrives, she wants to spend a bit of her time shopping locally. levi jeans in RSA could run 200-300 $ per pair. but, according to her, a sample of one, she indicates food prices overall are much lower there (RSA) than here in the USA. i do know our farmers are super efficient. they have to be to compete and survive. but, the propaganda i've heard over the years is that american food is among or the cheapest in the world. maybe the sample of one depicted here is an inaccurate (non-representative) sample.
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From what I have read on here, it is the atheists that attack Christians for believing as they do, not the other way around. I don't believe in forcing my views upon anyone, I'll just tell you how I see things, and go from there. But, instead of disagreeing, the atheists have to try and pick a fight. Sometimes, I think they're just jealous that Christians are going to have everlasting life, and they are not. However, they could, it's their choice. That smug, holier than thou attitude is what gets under atheist's skin. It's like some bratty kid prancing around his friends shouting "I know something you don't know!". He shouldn't be surprised when he gets bopped in the mouth. For the record I'm not atheist. I was, but the spirit of an extraterrestrial sasquatch came to me in a dream and showed me the light. I'm satanist now. There again you have your example. There was no reason for this attack against the Christian belief in God. The next time you meet someone, try insulting their wife in the worst way you can think of and see how much good will you receive from them after that.If anything, I have witnessed Christians having remarkable restraint in their conversations with atheists on this forum,doing their best to ignore insults against what they hold most dear. They do this for only one reason, hoping that be some grace a word they say may ring true and save a person from destruction. RH, Your example is not valid. This is religious thread with a religious reference in the title. This is not the reloading forum, so your accusation does not hold. If someone walks up to you and ask you to suck their dick, you would be justified in your offence on the street, but not in a gay bar. All Justin did was take your belief system and plug in a different fictitious creature. In a thread titled "Why does everyone hate atheist", you should expect example of how your reasoning fails. Instead of turning into a snowflake, how about countering with a logical argument demonstrating why his example is not valid?
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My wife tells me, "Don't do business with Christians if you don't want to get screwed," and she is serious.
Thank her for me. I really like being called a cheat by someone who has never meet me or had any dealings with me. It shows Christ's love shines through her to fellow believers. I had intended to try to get together 2ith you on my next trip your way but seeing how she feels about me I will just keep on driving. Scott, I worked customer disputes at a large brokerage firm for several years. Anytime someone brought up their religion during a dispute, they would attempt to leverage it for money. Not once did I ever hear, "because I'm a good Christian I will pay what I owe". It was always, I'm a good (insert religion, or ethnicity here), so you should give me money. I would amend Ringman's statement (after all, he just told everyone to never do business with him!) to I'd be very caution about doing business with anyone who claimed their religion was a reason I should do business with them. Of course, that's a minority of Christian. Most Christians I do business with convinced me they have the best product at the best price, and never mention their religion. As you know those who tout their perfection generally do so to hide their flaws. Ringman's has previously stated he does not sin. If that is so then good for mum but when his wife makes statements like the one he posted then she is bearing false witness about those she does not know making g me wonder if Ringman's is unevenly yoked. I am not perfect in any way and even if I were I would never have the nerve to say I do not sin. The whole thing makes me feel ill. Think I will lave this subject alone.
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Someone mentioned earlier that all atheists are going to hell.
That does not seem very polite. It's not polite. I'm a Christian but I've never thought telling someone they were going to hell was a good way to introduce them to God. I've thought about that, and maybe that is a little harsh. But, on the other hand, I think too many times we as Christians tend to "water down" things just so they will appeal to a broader group of people. Just look at the homosexual issue....God was very specific about homosexuality, He says it is an abomination, meaning that it is very, very wrong, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Nowhere else in the Bible does He, or Jesus, later say that their mind has changed about it. Yet, today, many religions and churches are willing to accept homosexuals into their midst, and refuse to condemn their behavior, all the while pretending to worship the Lord and believe in what is written in the Bible. I think they do so for a variety of reasons, the biggest reason being the financial benefit of having a large congregation that gives a lot of money. They don't want to step on their toes and see the money quit coming in. I am not an extremely religious person, in that I don't live and breathe it like some do. I am a Southern Baptist, who has attended a small Methodist church for many years. I struggle every day to keep myself from doing things that I know I shouldn't, and know that it is only by the grace of God that all I have to is just to ask to be forgiven of my sins, and put my trust in the Lord, and all will be well. But, the fact is that atheists are indeed going to go to Hell because they choose not to believe in God. It is their choice, and it is not in bad form for me to tell them that. Just as our pathway through life is dictated by the choices we make, so is our life in the ever after. I don't think Christians should water anything down. It's more about how you speak the truth, the manner in which it is presented. Read the gospels. You never see Jesus going someplace and telling everyone they are Going to Hell if they don't bow down and worship him. If Christians decided to "water down nothing" and all begin preaching Young Earth Creationisms, women be silent, and death to gays, witches, etc...the pews would empty quickly, and there would be a lot of empty Churches re-purposed as night clubs.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I'm sure not everyone does, but there are lots of mean people that keep telling them they are going to hell.
Is it hunting season yet? Lol!
Atheists are imposing their religion on everyone else by attacking any evidence of religion in the public square. Atheism is not a religion, and if your so called evidence is strong enough to withstand scrutiny it shouldn't matter. But what you call evidence is very weak, so instead of providing better, stronger evidence, you complain. How about instead of complaining, you tell us what you believe, why you believe it, and present your evidence for scrutiny?
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I don't think Christians should water anything down. It's more about how you speak the truth, the manner in which it is presented. Read the gospels. You never see Jesus going someplace and telling everyone they are Going to Hell if they don't bow down and worship him.[/quote]
If Christians decided to "water down nothing" and all begin preaching Young Earth Creationisms, women be silent, and death to gays, witches, etc...the pews would empty quickly, and there would be a lot of empty Churches re-purposed as night clubs. [/quote]
at least for a spell. then a re-vitalization or rebirth, or re-purposing "might" emerge. as the muslim interlopers gain strength in numbers and converts, they might make attempts to buy, rent or lease the abandoned facilities to convert to locations of "muslim-type" worship opportunities (for the masses).
on the other hand, if night clubs bring in more revenue than mosques, then the mosques will have a more difficult time expanding their locations.
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