Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Oregon bakery forced to close the doors

Refusing service to a person because it violates your religious doctrine, thereby your freedom of religion IS valid. The validity of gays being a protected class, on the same plane as race and gender, is based on the scientific evidence that homosexuality is a proven genetic trait. The only problem is that there isn't any. It's a political lever. That's it. That's not rocket science either. It's either a choice, or it isnt. There is no proof that it is anything BUT a choice. That is not popular with the cool people, but that is the truth.

Pretty simple, really.

Ya got loser puzzies like mojohand, mooner and snyper that roll over and show their belly soon as the goin gets rough.

Other hand, ya got real Americans.

OBTW puzzies, it's against the rules to reply.

That'll stump em.

Not arguin with the facts, moron.

The facts is what they is.

It's retards like you, I'm arguin with.

Clue.

"No, it's just a cake.
They can't insert their myths into their business dealings.
They are still free to practice their religion after business hours"
Then Muslim deli's/restaurants must serve bacon. You are saying that their freedom to practice their religion is limited to a private setting. That is not true. I'm kinda curious how you feel you can just proclaim something to be true, and it must be so. A wedding cake is more than just any cake. It has a specific purpose. That purpose is to celebrate a wedding. It is a symbol of that celebration. According to the religious doctrine of the bakers, the wedding of a gay couple is NOT a valid wedding. They chose to refuse to bake a symbol that celebrates that union. Religion is not a thing that you turn on and off. Though you consider it nothing more than a myth, greater minds than yours have disagreed with your opinion.

Though you consider it nothing more than a myth, greater minds than yours have disagreed with your opinion

I'm kinda curious how you feel you can just proclaim something to be true, and it must be so.

Not speaking for efw, but for me, yes. I have no desire to make someone else do something for me against his desire. And I don't care for people who would use the force of government to do so.

Only applies if you favor unlimited government.

Enjoy Dachau. That's the type of place your ass will end up.

You can talk all the patriotic armed revolution chitt you want. I can tell you right now that any such talk is braggadocio bullschitt.

Russell Means, the AIM leader figured this out after his stunt at Wounded Knee 40 years ago. He summed up it more or less "How do you fight the government with guns when they have airplanes and tanks?"

Yeah, the Native Americans were going to pull a big F.U. on the government. Didn't work out so well, Good thing the slots are paying off.

So go do your Waco or Ruby Ridge thing. You will take your principles to the After Life right quick, partners. There are principles, and then there is obstinate stupidity.

In American, we do it through laws and at the ballot box. Our "successful armed revolution was 250 years ago, and really was our first Civil War. Had logistics not been such a problem, England could have crushed the Revolution had they really wanted to. Oh, and England was short on airpower in those days.

Our American Civil War shows the futility of armed revolution. The South was well organized, united, and was crushed. Between the hundreds of thousands war dead, the millions of lives destroyed, the combination of war and Reconstruction so damaged the South that it has taken 150 years for it to fully recover. 150 years for the South to again be prosperous and vibrant. 150 years is a long, long, time chief. Families suffered, and the fabric of the country was forever altered.

Yes if Hillary gets in and Executive orders our guns away, you can try that "they fell out of my fishing boat in the middle of Lake Superior" defense. You'll also end up in Nuevo Dachau for perjury, obstruction of justice, and 4o other gun laws she'll introduce. Go ahead, talk big. BTW, who's providing for your family while you're locked up?

Bake the damned cake. Obey the law, otherwise you are no different that BLM. If you want change, make it the first Tuesday in November.

I'm all for private business to sell to whomever they like, but that is not the current law.

How folks can't understand that these folks shot themselves in the foot, and it is in no way the same, or even similar to " muslim delis/ restaurants must serve bacon" is beyond me.

It must be willful?

Sounds a little kghunty.




Travis

It's interesting that those on here who reject an all-powerful God, seen to have no problem submitting to an all-powerful government.

It's interesting that those on here who reject an all-powerful God, seen to have no problem submitting to an all-powerful government.

I understand exactly what you're saying here and don't disagree but I think you're missing the point people are trying to make.

As we bring governmental power to bear upon our societal desire to make room for minorities and giv them equal standing, we're stepping upon the toes of others.

I said it earlier and I'll repeat it... there is NO Constitutional right NOT to be offended. Our cultural hypersensitivity will be the end of us. EVERYONE need to quit whining!