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You still have your "freedom of religion" and they have freedom from your religion.

If you feel your religion won't allow you to treat everyone as equals, then working in retail is not for you.

one is as bad as the other.

Refusing service to a person because it violates your religious doctrine, thereby your freedom of religion IS valid. The validity of gays being a protected class, on the same plane as race and gender, is based on the scientific evidence that homosexuality is a proven genetic trait. The only problem is that there isn't any. It's a political lever. That's it. That's not rocket science either. It's either a choice, or it isnt. There is no proof that it is anything BUT a choice. That is not popular with the cool people, but that is the truth.

They can't insert their myths into their business dealings.
They are still free to practice their religion after business hours

That doesn't change their forced participation.


Declaring private business "places of public accommodation" was a wrongful government taking and a direct affront to private property as intended in our founding documents.

It's a foretaste of the evil to come.

There is no freedom from religion. That's a fancy way of saying freedom from being offended. If we are going to live in a TRULY tolerant society we ALL have to COMPLETELY surrender this imagined right to avoid offense.

The irony here is that the second statement of the quote above suggests the seller is a slave to the buyer... again, lack of true tolerance & equality because of this presumed right to not be offended.

What's being proposed by many here is the formula for a brave new word.

You still claim it is a cake like any other cake. That is incorrect. It is a wedding cake. I would not buy a wedding cake for a birthday. Now this is the difficult part for you, since you give no credibility to religion in general, and Christianity in particular. Their religion does not stop at their front door. It is a constant, in their lives. Selling a wedding cake, they expect their work to be used to celebrate a wedding as defined by their religion. It matters to them, and to be true to their religion, they cannot aid in a gay wedding celbration. THAT is the free exercise of their religion. You are suggesting, actually STATING, that they may not FREELY exercise their religion, but restrict it to the point where it is not evident to others. The lesbians are completely free to simply walk to a store that sells GAY wedding cakes. The bakery in question does not do that. To them, there is no such THING as a gay wedding. They do not sell gay wedding cakes, yet are forced to do so, or close. That is not freedom of religion. All wedding cakes are not created equal. They are to you, but that is irrelevant. They have a specific, legitimate reason to make a distinction. That reason is the free exercise of their religion. Where exactly is freedom FROM religion stated? In the mind of liberals, yes, but nowhere else. This is yet another extrapolation of the bill of rights, that is at odds with the document itself. You have the right to freely exercise your religion, but only in private. That caveat does not exist.

Where's that in the Constitution?

Very well said.

It's interesting that those on here who reject an all-powerful God, seen to have no problem submitting to an all-powerful government.

Where's that in the Constitution?

You're forgetting Fourteenth Amendment incorporation doctrine. That said, forcing them to bake a cake for someone also violates our right of free association (not to mention our Thirteenth Amendment right against involuntary servitude), not to mention basic property rights, i.e., if I wish to sell my goods only to blue eyed, blonde haired people, that's my right, stemming from the fundamental right to property.

Isn't it, though.

Dolts actually believe the 1964 civil rights law on public accomodation is a divine revelation; axiomatic inviolate rule of conduct and anyone who questions it is a heretic who must be crushed or banished or burned alive.

Forcing folks to do business in the market place with another person is statist idolatry and tyranny.

I don't have do business with anyone if I don't want to, for any reason whatsoever that pops into my head.

Liberals are statists and hence tyrants and murderers.

The "law" is (un-Constitutionally) making people enter contracts under penalty.

Not hard to understand where any of that leads; its difficult to understand why so many accept it.

Yes, he died for them and they still reject Him. They still attack his disciples. Where's the forgiveness on the part of the queers? Why did they not witness Christ and forgive their neighbor? Instead, they went out of their way to CRUSH the bakers over a lousy $30 cake. Oh, yeah, that real just. Just the kind of justice you'd expect from a viper!

To no one in particular...
There's a saying when thinking about taking a principled stand "Is that the hill you want to die on?" Apparently these folks said yes. They knew full and well what the possibilities were and they rolled the dice and lost.
I think they were foolish to do so but apparently they didn't.

These bakers apparently believe their first amendment rights are just as important as we believe in our second amendment rights.

I can't find any fault with them.

If you thought a bully could kick your ass and your cause was righteous,would you fight or run?