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These threads crack me up.

As long as the hunt is represented accurately, who cares? Looking at the website, and Jorge/Pugs/Hatari's report, it seems obvious that nothing is hidden. If the OP missed what was being sold, it seems to be a 100% on him.

If you're ok with shooting livestock, wild as it may or may not be, have at it. Have fun and enjoy it. Make it an experience. Take home some great meat and a rack.

If not, don't.

Can't see the point of hand wringing.

I care. Because it's not a dann hunt. Never was, never will be.

Sure it was. It was a hunt for elk in an enclosure. Maybe even non-wild ranch reared elk.

Hell, I hunted for my car keys yesterday morning. Lol.

Nobody lied to you about what it was or was not. Don't like it? Don't do it. If the practice of game ranching bothers you too much to sit idley by, I'd suggest contacting your legislature , or maybe PETA.

Jorge. Your hunt was your hunt. I'm fine with that. But to say you don't have time to invest in a wilderness hunt is disingenuous.

I have two weeks vacation/year that I must divide between visiting my parents in Miami (95 & 93), my wife's family in Pensacola and their cabin in the PA mountains and hunting. Do the math. I get to do DIY hunting here in south Georgia on the weekends during hunting season, and year round for hogs. It really doesn't matter. When I go to Africa and where I go is about as "wilderness" as one can get, I still get the business from some folks because we have to use a PH. Lesson here is if I were to suddenly announce I walk on water, somebody would chime in and say "yeah, that's because you can't swim"...

NOBODY, certainly not me, has called the OP a liar. I'm sorry this thread has upset you, and I'll try not to let the fact you don't want to hunt with us get to me....

Mad Mooner: SPOT ON.

Jorge,it's kind of mind-boggling that people are pissed at how others spend their money. You,Pugs and Hatari went on a elk hunt,killed a bull apiece and had fun. Someone else did the same hunt and did not get a bull or even have fun,and some how that's a pox on the three of you.

Been on plenty of elk hunts on public land and not even see a bull. Do I complain to NMG&F for me not killing a bull or demand my money back. No,that's hunting,take it or leave it. I enjoyed being away from civilization for a few days and just being "out there."

Do you consider hunting the Vermjo, Moreno Valley, CS etc. the same as hunting public land? Yes, I get they are all fair chase and free range, but the outcome of those hunts are pretty well guaranteed as well.

Not a dig, but I can't see knocking a guy for how he chooses to spend his money.

Especially when they were honest up front about it.

I haven't seen anyone say they're pissed at Jorge and his group for how they chose to spend their time and money.

I think the second part of your quote gets to the issue people have--whether it fits their definition of hunting. Or "the" definition of hunting.

If the animals are free-ranging that's one thing. If they were raised like cattle, that's another.

Yea, whats the big deal? A good cattle prod gets 'em out of the box......and a decent taxidermist can fix any resulting rack dings from the stock truck. All in jest.

But, never say never.

When the 'deplorable' local country clubbers ask why I never took up golf....we always insist on the possibility of taking up the sport....when too old to hunt/fish.

They always take it as an insult, like we wouldn't golf unless we were one leg out of the crypt.....that even a near-dead, old geezer can golf.

And really didn't mean it that way.....OK, yes I did.

Most anyone that has hunted RSA is familiar with enclosures.

One of my personal goals is to give all 5 sons opportunities at hunting/taking mature Whitetail deer, Mule Deer, Elk, Pronghorn, and Black Bear.

Throwing out more money could maybe make things easier......but elk shouldn't be easy anyway.

Like golf, no elk fences for me, not now anyway.

I was able to walk up on cattle whilst there. The elk, the closest I was able to get was 300 yards or they launched.

Jorge, like I said earlier, it's possible that you and the OP had entirely different experiences, with some animals free-ranging and some not.

And I will say this--the reason the OP gave for his post was (in so many words), because he's concerned about the future of hunting and doesn't want hunters to get a bad reputation for the things he observed and described in his post.

Well, your account had none of those things in it, and his did. So if we're all so worried about what non-hunters think of us, which post (yours or the OP's) on a public forum has the most potential to damage our reputation with the non-hunting public?

Non-hunting public is not our concern. The anti-hunters are. And they don't care why or how you hunt. They want to stop you!

No. If anything non-hunting public is the most important sector. They are really the most influential segment.

Fair enough .

Exactly right Alamosa. Sure the anti's want to stop us, but nothing we say or do will change their minds because they are not open to reason. I don't really care what they think, they're so ignorant and emotional that their opinions don't mean squat to me.

And they can't do diddly on their own, they need to get enough of the non-hunting public on their side to effect any change.

It's the non-hunters, the undecideds who can be swayed by things like the OP described that we need to concern ourselves with.

I wish the OP would follow up with more about his gripes. I’m trying to read between the lines and see if I understand his main complaints correctly.

It sounds like he expected to hunt a 5000 acre enclosure (that is not as big as it sounds but sporting enough). Instead he felt the bulls were herded into small canyons. I don’t think the ranch could make a profit if they allowed hunters to wander the entire enclosure and be selective.

The OP describes the upgrade thing like it was kind of like ordering off a menu beforehand and kind of a hard sell.

I think he also objects that it is a little too much like a slaughterhouse assembly line process with hunters queued up for the next bull to be herded to them (if that is actually how it really was).

The overriding concern of the OP seems to be the representation of hunters, et al., but it sounds like customers are lining up with checkbooks open for this service. The market often dictates a lot. When other customers here seem to be happy with the service then I think those last couple sentences, i.e., ‘we won’t survive’, and, ‘antis finish us off’, might be a little too heavy on the drama. Might have been better for him to say it just wasn’t what he wanted/expected because his own post may be the most damaging testimony to ‘hunters’.

5,000 acres is about three miles square on each side. That is way! more land than most city and suburban folks think about.

Looks like the Ranch was emptied in 2015. So much for any native 'free-rangers'.

Aren't there ANY cow elk on the Ranch?



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Fair enough. I apologize.